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norman 2010-12-24 09:23 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9279)
你的 英語 很爛、不明我説什麼

我意思是你在較易的雪道滑得OK 你只是滑的天数少

她滑得不好。她老師 (刻滑兄) 也滑得不好, 不要教人,

謝謝,很抱歉我的英文確實很爛,所以有時有誤解,尤其又是急忙忙草草看一遍,腦筋沒想清楚時,還煩請提醒一下囉。:face (52):

但是哪一種才是較易的雪道,滑沒有整理過的雪道外,或是黑線大鬆雪,這些算不算較易的雪道?

如果是指在較難的雪道,還要求要姿勢漂亮的話,我現在是不敢保證是真的,要等下次拍回來才能真正確定就是了。

norman 2010-12-24 09:36 AM

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作者: ams (文章 9273)
大師, 好奇問一句, 什麼是肉腳:face (46): 是大師的尊用詞嗎:face (50):

「肉腳」就是「技術不佳者」的意思,這是在台灣普遍的用詞,如打電動時,有一隻肉腳怪,意思就是隨便兩三下就讓他死的那種怪,大概是這樣的意思,但這不是損人的話,而只是特有厘語而已。

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作者: ams (文章 9273)
上到雪場, 感覺就是 italian niseko. 意大利雪粉天堂. 很多未滑過的雪道和很深的雪粉. 在高一點的幾乎全是乾的, 低一點的就是 chop up power. 也很好玩. 以下是小徒初學成的雪粉 skiing. 在這裡分享一下. 不知大師不知有什麼要教誨一下的呢:face (46)::face (334):
YouTube - P1030166

經過pku兄的解釋我才看懂您的意思,難怪我覺得影片中的人,看起來好像是女生,然後為何您的動作在鬆雪中變成全制動下山了。

我只看到一個優點,她有做迴山轉彎,所以滑鬆雪會容易多了。:face (330):

skier888 2010-12-24 09:57 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9276)
Norman just doesn't have the mileage, his form is not bad. When he ski the groomed gentle runs, his skiing is OK.

The girl use her upper body to turn too much and lean into the turn ( balance on the inside )

If the powder is more heavy, she'll have trouble getting down.

I am copying norm's dynamic standard to tease him:face (52):

pku 2010-12-24 10:14 AM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9282)
I am copying norm's dynamic standard to tease him:face (52):

That's fine, Norman's skiing is only OK on the gentle groomed run, once he got speed on the steeper run, his form will be totally off.

Anyway, I am going to stay 2 nights on Whistler and the weather forecast said there will be heavy snow coming these 2 days. I am not sure if I can handle this snow condition ( powder is heavy here )

norman 2010-12-24 09:22 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9283)
That's fine, Norman's skiing is only OK on the gentle groomed run, once he got speed on the steeper run, his form will be totally off.

反觀,有問題的動作,即使在綠線上,動作一樣也是有問題的。

而沒問題的動作,只要心理因素克服,即使在難的坡上,一樣是沒有問題的。

pku 2010-12-25 03:17 AM

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作者: norman (文章 9284)
反觀,有問題的動作,即使在綠線上,動作一樣也是有問題的。

而沒問題的動作,只要心理因素克服,即使在難的坡上,一樣是沒有問題的。

Skiing ( as a sport ) is not as 簡單 as you think

基本功 very 重要, so pratice 基本功 on 綠線上 is good. That's why your skiing looks better than 刻滑兄, you 專心 練習 the form on 綠線 is good start. 綠線

動作正確 is not 容易, on 容易坡度, 錯誤不明顯, even if 動作 already 90% 正確, Its because 速度不快, 不影響身體, 身體容易協調

When skiing down困難坡度, 速度 快, 身體難協調, 感覺不一樣, 容易緊張, 身體難協調, 正確動作
跑走

Compare your video in Austria and Japan, you look much better on Austria because 坡度
容易, 速度慢

雪變化 also 影響 感覺 , that's why we need to ski a lot of overcome this

If you can ski more, I think you should ski better than 刻滑兄 ( at least look much better ) because your 基本功 is better

If you wait few years and go skiing, you'll never dare to show your video because you find out how bad your skiing is

ams 2010-12-25 04:40 AM

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thanks for all the response. its a pleasure to share the video. its true that i taught her to ski and its not showing good progress because its myself lacking understanding of skiing. but the more important thing is that she dont need to pay me for the lesson and we are able to enjoy skiing the whole moutain. of course avoiding the more difficult runs. :face (343):

skier888 2010-12-26 04:44 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9285)
If you can ski more, I think you should ski better than 刻滑兄 ( at least look much better ) because your 基本功 is better

I think that is not a fair comparison. 刻滑兄 always challenges himself beyond his ability with more difficult tasks while norm skiing within his comfort zone. I bet if 刻滑兄 ski the same terrain statically, he will ski rounder turn. Norm can't even ski round turn on easy slope. Norm likes to drop "terms" and "names" that he can't even explain clearly or in detail.

norman 2010-12-26 08:54 AM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9308)
I think that is not a fair comparison. 刻滑兄 always challenges himself beyond his ability with more difficult tasks while norm skiing within his comfort zone. I bet if 刻滑兄 ski the same terrain statically, he will ski rounder turn. Norm can't even ski round turn on easy slope. Norm likes to drop "terms" and "names" that he can't even explain clearly or in detail.

他不是有些室內滑雪的影片,參照那個,不算數嗎?:face (46):

ps.您如何知道我在歐洲滑時,不會挑戰困難地形,您不妨問刻滑兄這次去歐洲滑,要滑到您們所謂的困難地形容不容易遇到。

ams 2010-12-26 04:48 PM

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我想大家都往別處想了太多, 我們今次是旅遊滑雪, 注意的都是多找一些好玩的雪道玩玩, 跟尊業的和大師的滑雪目標相拒十分遠, 所以看看好了, 不用太認真. 滑的好與不好對我們來說不是太重要. 只是分享一下滑雪的樂趣而是. 今天天氣很好, 我準備滑一個左 pivot, 右 carving 的片段娛樂一下大家, 大家先想像一下是什麼樣子的. :face (292):

ams 2010-12-26 04:50 PM

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作者: norman (文章 9309)
他不是有些室內滑雪的影片

大師, 我只說事實, 你沒有能力在室內場轉彎, 不信的話試試. pku 兄也不妨試試. :face (50):

norman 2010-12-26 08:46 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9314)
大師, 我只說事實, 你沒有能力在室內場轉彎, 不信的話試試. pku 兄也不妨試試. :face (50):

可惜我一點都不想去室內滑雪場滑雪,有這時間,還不如出國滑室外雪場,多花個兩三天及一些錢,我是沒法出門,不然多花一點錢能出門滑雪,也是行的,可惜今年我連過年都要上班,太可憐了。:hikids (39):

還好我無法去也不想去,不然我擔心您的自信心又像直排輪一樣受到打擊了。:face (3):

norman 2010-12-26 08:51 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9313)
我想大家都往別處想了太多, 我們今次是旅遊滑雪, 注意的都是多找一些好玩的雪道玩玩, 跟尊業的和大師的滑雪目標相拒十分遠, 所以看看好了, 不用太認真. 滑的好與不好對我們來說不是太重要. 只是分享一下滑雪的樂趣而是. 今天天氣很好, 我準備滑一個左 pivot, 右 carving 的片段娛樂一下大家, 大家先想像一下是什麼樣子的. :face (292):

您都沒丟出您的影片,誰知您這次滑得如何?

大家只是就之前的影片動作所提出來的想法而已,而skier888兄不認為我也能像您這次貼的照片這樣滑s下來,就說我滑過,沒影片沒照片就沒真相囉,但有一件事實,在歐洲要遇到鬆雪或有挑戰的地形太容易了,就怕日後您再去日本滑,想找個好玩的地形都難囉,所以這次難得去歐洲滑雪,當然要好好享受滑雪囉,但要注意安全,因為技術差的歐洲人也是有飆很快的,我每次去歐洲都一定會看到有人被抬下山。:face (334):

ams 2010-12-27 04:37 AM

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作者: norman (文章 9317)
可惜我一點都不想去室內滑雪場滑雪,有這時間,還不如出國滑室外雪場

可惜是大師一條新片都沒有啊, 但可喜的是大師得到 pku 大師的支持, 現在你的基本功己被認定比我高了. :face (50):

skier888 2010-12-27 12:56 PM

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I watched that new DVD. It has quite a few of your favorite dolphin turn footage. It is based on foot pullback. The last segment is he riding ICON 80 ripping powder, quite a sight

ams 2010-12-27 01:09 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9331)
I watched that new DVD. It has quite a few of your favorite dolphin turn footage. It is based on foot pullback. The last segment is he riding ICON 80 ripping powder, quite a sight

oh! lucky you. i just found its released. i ll order one when i back home. does it looks like the psia version? i found the psia version more difficult to learn. maybe require more muscle.:face (334):

skier888 2010-12-27 01:14 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9333)
oh! lucky you. i just found its released. i ll order one when i back home. does it looks like the psia version? i found the psia version more difficult to learn. maybe require more muscle.:face (334):

it is different from the psia, think aggressive foot pullback. i actually think the psia version looks better.

ams 2010-12-27 01:25 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9334)
it is different from the psia, think aggressive foot pullback. i actually think the psia version looks better.

yeah! i think it that way too. but i havnt seen the pmts version yet so i can not sure what is its purpose. i have in mine its an exercise for taping the rebounce and a drill for fore/aft balance. The psia version is purely for mogul.

pku 2010-12-27 01:56 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9314)
大師, 我只說事實, 你沒有能力在室內場轉彎, 不信的話試試. pku 兄也不妨試試. :face (50):

Will there be someone that stupid not skiing big mountain and try 室內場

pku 2010-12-27 02:16 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9308)
I think that is not a fair comparison. 刻滑兄 always challenges himself beyond his ability with more difficult tasks while norm skiing within his comfort zone. I bet if 刻滑兄 ski the same terrain statically, he will ski rounder turn. Norm can't even ski round turn on easy slope. Norm likes to drop "terms" and "names" that he can't even explain clearly or in detail.

As an ski instructor, 基本功 means more like an basic parellel turn ( round turns) with control speed and rythym.

刻滑兄fucas too much on carving few years ago, carving is more advance and the consequence is speed then he switch to ski short turns and try skiing bumps. What I see from his video is always turn and slide

On normal skiing, 99% 刻滑兄 can come down difficult terrain better than Norman beacuse he got much more experience.

Norman can only talk so when he face the reality, he'll got nervious and can't do anything. Basic can't help much once you got nervious especially Norman's basic is only ok not really good.


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