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ams 2010-12-27 02:43 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9338)
Will there be someone that stupid not skiing big mountain and try 室內場

well stupid or not is not the issue, whether can come down with a round ski track is another issue. like master norman, u never try u ll never fail. :face (330)::face (334):

ams 2010-12-27 03:01 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9339)
As an ski instructor, 基本功 means more like an basic parellel turn ( round turns) with control speed and rythym.

I suppose you are an non-pmts instructor of a very high level. u r judging a pmts student from a non-pmts point of view. I m not saying you dont know skiing. i m saying u may not have sufficient pmts knowledge to judge pmts skiing, less to say trampoline turns. if u dont believe me post you vid or even a two footed release or BPST to pmts as brave as our master did in epics. lets see how they rate your skiing in pmts point of view. Then we have confidence in what you said. I did it many times, i know i m an intermediate as Harald said i m ok in the pmts fundamental drill two footed release.:face (343): i suppose u didnt aware what harald said otherwise it means u have doubt in harald's judgement.

skier888 2010-12-27 03:40 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9339)
As an ski instructor, 基本功 means more like an basic parellel turn ( round turns) with control speed and rythym.

刻滑兄fucas too much on carving few years ago, carving is more advance and the consequence is speed then he switch to ski short turns and try skiing bumps. What I see from his video is always turn and slide

On normal skiing, 99% 刻滑兄 can come down difficult terrain better than Norman beacuse he got much more experience.

Norman can only talk so when he face the reality, he'll got nervious and can't do anything. Basic can't help much once you got nervious especially Norman's basic is only ok not really good.

Not trying to argue, norm is the one trying to use speed to hide wedge

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作者: norman (文章 8987)
我也不認為我的是問題,7月的影片,beg兄的wedge比我的還嚴重,如今他的wedge比我好是正常的,因為最後的訣竅就是用來快速改善這個問題的,所以我下次再去滑雪也一樣能完全消除掉wedge了,所以這種事我從來不認為是問題,方法對,即使有問題,時候到了,也能很快就改掉了。所以您太大驚小怪了。:face (334):

I can bet 刻滑兄 will not have wedge regardless of speed. He can turn from static position without wedge.

skier888 2010-12-27 03:44 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9341)
I suppose you are an non-pmts instructor of a very high level. u r judging a pmts student from a non-pmts point of view. I m not saying you dont know skiing. i m saying u may not have sufficient pmts knowledge to judge pmts skiing, less to say trampoline turns. if u dont believe me post you vid or even a two footed release or BPST to pmts as brave as our master did in epics. lets see how they rate your skiing in pmts point of view. Then we have confidence in what you said. I did it many times, i know i m an intermediate as Harald said i m ok in the pmts fundamental drill two footed release.:face (343): i suppose u didnt aware what harald said otherwise it means u have doubt in harald's judgement.

carver, you really should find a chance to attend a camp. studying by book or on internet has its limit. you will find it very different if you have been to a camp.

pku 2010-12-27 03:47 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9341)
I suppose you are an non-pmts instructor of a very high level. u r judging a pmts student from a non-pmts point of view. I m not saying you dont know skiing. i m saying u may not have sufficient pmts knowledge to judge pmts skiing, less to say trampoline turns. if u dont believe me post you vid or even a two footed release or BPST to pmts as brave as our master did in epics. lets see how they rate your skiing in pmts point of view. Then we have confidence in what you said. I did it many times, i know i m an intermediate as Harald said i m ok in the pmts fundamental drill two footed release.:face (343): i suppose u didnt aware what harald said otherwise it means u have doubt in harald's judgement.

Just compare your skiing with you master ' harald ' See how much difference between you and your master, not even 10% look alike.

If your want to claim yourself a pmts student, at least you ski more the way they ski.

See how your master steer both skis nice and smooth and how you turn your skis and let the skis slide.

See how your master's stance " two foot side by side and your ouside skis way behide you inside ski and your foot is so wide apart because it slip out so much.

Please see the reality. If your really want to be a pmts skier, at least try to take some course from them. Not many people can learn sports from books and internet. Honestly you don't seem to have this talent. I also don't have this talent so I take lots of lessons and get trained in the ski school.

beg 2010-12-27 03:49 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9340)
well stupid or not is not the issue, whether can come down with a round ski track is another issue. like master norman, u never try u ll never fail. :face (330)::face (334):

stupid or not is the issue, here is a intermidate skier prove himself can not come down with a round ski track. A smart instructor will never negative comments the student because students are the boss. That,s why you always go back to pay him.

ams 2010-12-27 03:51 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9343)
carver, you really should find a chance to attend a camp. studying by book or on internet has its limit. you will find it very different if you have been to a camp.

there are limitations in both money and time. i can only practice through ski trips. its my reality. :face (343):

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:23 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9343)
studying by book or on internet has its limit. you will find it very different if you have been to a camp.

Totally agree with this point.

skier888 2010-12-28 01:25 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9344)
Just compare your skiing with you master ' harald ' See how much difference between you and your master, not even 10% look alike.

You are comparing him to the first person who works out the whole thing on how to ski the modern shaped skis. I am not saying he invented the techniques but he puts it all together when no one else has. For the specific skills he is teaching, I have not seen anyone else articulate as well and as clear as he has.

There are not many skiers can ski like him. His blue level instructors certainly ski like him but there are very few of them. You can pick them out on the mountain very easily because it is beautiful skiing.


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作者: pku (文章 9344)
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If your want to claim yourself a pmts student, at least you ski more the way they ski.

See how your master steer both skis nice and smooth and how you turn your skis and let the skis slide.

See how your master's stance " two foot side by side and your ouside skis way behide you inside ski and your foot is so wide apart because it slip out so much.

There are only a few primary movements. If you know what they are, you can see whether he is making those movements. These movement requirements could be very intense and use a different set of muscles. That is why it is hard to learn without going to camp. If a skier does not have the right intensity and uses the correct muscles, the result won't be the same. So I may agree with your observation but I may not agree with your conclusion.

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作者: pku (文章 9344)
See how your master steer both skis nice and smooth and how you turn your skis and let the skis slide.

He does not steer skis because it is not a primary movement.

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:25 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9344)
I also don't have this talent so I take lots of lessons and get trained in the ski school.

Me too :-)

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:28 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9356)

He does not steer skis because it is not a primary movement.

I think HH is to tip the skis.

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:37 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9356)
These movement requirements could be very intense and use a different set of muscles. That is why it is hard to learn without going to camp.

Agree. Obviously, the DVDs and books do not provide the detailed explanation on how to use the muscles.

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:40 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9331)
I watched that new DVD. It has quite a few of your favorite dolphin turn footage. It is based on foot pullback. The last segment is he riding ICON 80 ripping powder, quite a sight

I ordered the new DVD before my ski trip. However, I have not yet received the DVD :-(

skier888 2010-12-28 01:45 PM

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作者: PSBoy (文章 9360)
I ordered the new DVD before my ski trip. However, I have not yet received the DVD :-(

Mine is delivered to me in person:face (355):

PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:55 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9341)
I suppose you are an non-pmts instructor of a very high level. u r judging a pmts student from a non-pmts point of view. I m not saying you dont know skiing. i m saying u may not have sufficient pmts knowledge to judge pmts skiing, less to say trampoline turns. if u dont believe me post you vid or even a two footed release or BPST to pmts as brave as our master did in epics. lets see how they rate your skiing in pmts point of view. Then we have confidence in what you said. I did it many times, i know i m an intermediate as Harald said i m ok in the pmts fundamental drill two footed release.:face (343): i suppose u didnt aware what harald said otherwise it means u have doubt in harald's judgement.

Well...I also found this video on the HH's forum.


PSBoy 2010-12-28 01:58 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9361)
Mine is delivered to me in person:face (355):

Obviously, you are so rich...haha!

pku 2010-12-28 02:14 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9356)
You are comparing him to the first person who works out the whole thing on how to ski the modern shaped skis. I am not saying he invented the techniques but he puts it all together when no one else has. For the specific skills he is teaching, I have not seen anyone else articulate as well and as clear as he has.

There are not many skiers can ski like him. His blue level instructors certainly ski like him but there are very few of them. You can pick them out on the mountain very easily because it is beautiful skiing.




There are only a few primary movements. If you know what they are, you can see whether he is making those movements. These movement requirements could be very intense and use a different set of muscles. That is why it is hard to learn without going to camp. If a skier does not have the right intensity and uses the correct muscles, the result won't be the same. So I may agree with your observation but I may not agree with your conclusion.



He does not steer skis because it is not a primary movement.

see how we are trained , the first guy is a trainer ( CSIA level 4 )


pku 2010-12-28 02:28 PM

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作者: PSBoy (文章 9362)
Well...I also found this video on the HH's forum.

YouTube - CarverHK

I don't know why he put Richard Berger ( the guy in the bright green pants ) in the video. The level of skiing is like to compare a kid in the kindergarden with a professor.

Richard Berger is a former Tecnical sking champion of Japan in the late 90's and was a demo team member of Austria.

ams 2010-12-28 02:34 PM

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this thread obviously turned into how bad i m skiing. i said many times i m not a professional, i share what i enjoy on the mountain and take skiing as a fun sport. of course i like to learn but with my own limitation. I dont like it when people who dont understand pmts claims that my fundamental is weaker then our master Norman. It is a disrespect to PMTS. I sincerely hope he can show his PMTS's ability rather then just saying, like what he criticized our Master Norman, to show his sincerity toward technical discussion rather then just saying who is fundamentally better based on his own personal favour. :face (334):
Here is an extract of Harald said about my latest two footed release. pku 兄, u have to do PMTS's two footed release at least better then me to prove you can understand my movement and comment that my fundamental is less then master Norman or just try to learn pmts and see how a different system is working out.
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作者: h.harb
Very nice movements, some fine tuning with alignment will make it much smoother and more progressive. Tough to do over the internet.


skier888 2010-12-28 02:40 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9364)
see how we are trained , the first guy is a trainer ( CSIA level 4 )

YouTube - Whistler Ski School

I don't get what are you trying to express?


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