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ams 2010-12-28 02:58 PM

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btw, after Harald gave his words, i take that i can learn no more from the pmts forum unless i go to his camp. And at the same time someone taught me trampoline turns and obviously it got blended into my skiing. The sharp eyes in pmts can see it so i never post a new vid to the forum to avoid being taken as a betrayer. :face (50):

btw, my newest experience with bottomless powder. wonderful and fearful as i seldom experience such condition. :face (341):

pku 2010-12-28 03:01 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9366)
this thread obviously turned into how bad i m skiing. i said many times i m not a professional, i share what i enjoy on the mountain and take skiing as a fun sport. of course i like to learn but with my own limitation. I dont like it when people who dont understand pmts claims that my fundamental is weaker then our master Norman. It is a disrespect to PMTS. I sincerely hope he can show his PMTS's ability rather then just saying, like what he criticized our Master Norman, to show his sincerity toward technical discussion rather then just saying who is fundamentally better based on his own personal favour. :face (334):
Here is an extract of Harald said about my latest two footed release. pku 兄, u have to do PMTS's two footed release at least better then me to prove you can understand my movement and comment that my fundamental is less then master Norman or just try to learn pmts and see how a different system is working out.

I don't really know what is 2 foot release. Once we need to change direction, we need to release 2 edges at the same time which is the hard part. I know my timing is not quite right. If you want to compare, then compare with one of my student ( Norman said she is sitting back and bend here waist too much )


I know you'll send the video to your epic forum to ask if who is better and they may say you are better.

In reality if you want to catch up with her on Whistler, you'll kill yourself.:face (334):

By the way, there s always personal favour, just you think Harald is the ski god but I think Richard Berger is much better and they will never compete side by side

ams 2010-12-28 03:08 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9369)
In reality if you want to catch up with her on Whistler, you'll kill yourself.:face (334):

you can always said that. its just a meaningless challenge as i dont see any sincerity in your statement. now even that u claim u dont know 2fr, meaning you dont understanding my skiing. but at the same time u said my fundamental is weaker then our master Norman. i can only take it a joke. :face (50):

pku 2010-12-28 03:13 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9367)
I don't get what are you trying to express?

To show you our trainer's skiing is not much less than harald and the students' level of skiing. The students ski much better than carver ( that's my personal favour, you don't have to agree)

PSBoy 2010-12-28 03:17 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9365)
I don't know why he put Richard Berger ( the guy in the bright green pants ) in the video. The level of skiing is like to compare a kid in the kindergarden with a professor.

Richard Berger is a former Tecnical sking champion of Japan in the late 90's and was a demo team member of Austria.

Perhaps, I know the intention/purpose but don't want to explain the details because it may affect a skier's reputation. The purpose of my post is to balance the discussion. I am willing to have further discussion via PM if you are interested.

skier888 2010-12-28 03:21 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9369)
Once we need to change direction, we need to release 2 edges at the same time which is the hard part.

Start at 2:40, how do you think he changed his edges? I am not challenge you or anything like that, just a friendly information exchange.


I will tell you the answer is no. He does not changed edges simultaneously.

pku 2010-12-28 03:22 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9370)
you can always said that. its just a meaningless challenge as i dont see any sincerity in your statement. now even that u claim u dont know 2fr, meaning you dont understanding my skiing. but at the same time u said my fundamental is weaker then our master Norman. i can only take it a joke. :face (50):

Your skiing like you said , intermediate skier, ski mostly on groomed slope without rymthm, In CSIA system, the type of skier a CSIA level 2 instructor focus on.

What 2 foot relaese for me is only a term and CSIA doesn't have this term. Just like in Harald system, there is no steering but we use steering all the time.

The skiing of master harald is not much difference than a CSIA level 4 instructor and Harald is also a former Canadian Racer.

skier888 2010-12-28 03:26 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9371)
To show you our trainer's skiing is not much less than harald and the students' level of skiing. The students ski much better than carver ( that's my personal favour, you don't have to agree)

But I never say any other systems are less.:face (353):

skier888 2010-12-28 03:27 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9374)
Your skiing like you said , intermediate skier, ski mostly on groomed slope without rymthm, In CSIA system, the type of skier a CSIA level 2 instructor focus on.

What 2 foot relaese for me is only a term and CSIA doesn't have this term. Just like in Harald system, there is no steering but we use steering all the time.

The skiing of master harald is not much difference than a CSIA level 4 instructor and Harald is also a former Canadian Racer.

Can you define steering if you use it all the time?

skier888 2010-12-28 03:32 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9374)
The skiing of master harald is not much difference than a CSIA level 4 instructor and Harald is also a former Canadian Racer.

I see your videos and they are very different. The skiers in your video has lots of up movements. Again, I am not saying which one is better, just different. I can point out other differences but it is pointless.

pku 2010-12-28 03:32 PM

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作者: PSBoy (文章 9372)
Perhaps, I know the intention/purpose but don't want to explain the details because it may affect a skier's reputation. The purpose of my post is to balance the discussion. I am willing to have further discussion via PM if you are interested.

You can email me @ dlai228@hotmail.com

pku 2010-12-28 03:36 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9376)
Can you define steering if you use it all the time?

the combination of edging and pivoting,

pku 2010-12-28 03:39 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9377)
I see your videos and they are very different. The skiers in your video has lots of up movements. Again, I am not saying which one is better, just different. I can point out other differences but it is pointless.

Then watch the 2nd and the 3rd guys of the first few seconds, do they have much upper body movement?


skier888 2010-12-28 03:43 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9380)
Then watch the 2nd and the 3rd guys of the first few seconds, do they have much upper body movement?

YouTube - Miyashita Masaki with WBSS

Now you are using a different video to back up your original statement on a previous video. It is not fair.

BTW, I do not view this video (my browser block flash by default) because I don't want to offend you or debate you. I am interested in information sharing.

PSBoy 2010-12-28 03:44 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9366)
pku 兄, u have to do PMTS's two footed release at least better then me to prove you can understand my movement and comment that my fundamental is less then master Norman or just try to learn pmts and see how a different system is working out.

Just a question, no offense :-)

Do you mean you have to learn Norman's system before giving comments on his system?

skier888 2010-12-28 03:46 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9379)
the combination of edging and pivoting,

can you tell me where this definition comes from? I believe pivot is different from steering and that is why there is a pivot and there is a steering.

pku 2010-12-28 03:50 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9375)
But I never say any other systems are less.:face (353):

I think it depends on how intense the training and what the system focus.

Since I've been trained in CSIA, I think there skiing is more to the control side so even the level 4 ski instructor doesn't ski very fast.

When I see Harald, he also doesn't look very aggresive now, should be because of his age. He was a former national racer so he shoul be able to ski much stronger than what I see in his video.

Since Japan got the technical competition every year so the top instructor train so hard in order to compete and also all of them got racing background, their skiing is much stronger than CSIA

skier888 2010-12-28 03:50 PM

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Or I will ask it a different way

What is pivot?

skier888 2010-12-28 03:55 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9384)

When I see Harald, he also doesn't look very aggresive now, should be because of his age. He was a former national racer so he shoul be able to ski much stronger than what I see in his video.

I see it as efficiency, no efficient movements. The original word I used was soft. I can tell you he is aggressive. He can ski power with 68mm waist skis.

pku 2010-12-28 04:00 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9383)
can you tell me where this definition comes from? I believe pivot is different from steering and that is why there is a pivot and there is a steering.

That's what I was taught in my level 1 training. pivot is the turning of the foot and edging is use the knee to may the ski on edge. Since for more performance skiing, we combine the 2 thinks to make the turn rounder and they call it steering.

This years PDP, what the 3 focus are: mobile althetic stance, steering by lower body and bouncing on edges. What I see what they trying to do is not much difference for all high end skier.


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