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skier888 2010-12-28 04:04 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9387)
That's what I was taught in my level 1 training. pivot is the turning of the foot and edging is use the knee to may the ski on edge. Since for more performance skiing, we combine the 2 thinks to make the turn rounder and they call it steering.

This years PDP, what the 3 focus are: mobile althetic stance, steering by lower body and bouncing on edges. What I see what they trying to do is not much difference for all high end skier.

pivot is twisting/redirection of skis when they are not engaged (edging neutral).
steering is (same as your sentence but replace pivot with twisting)

I am not saying I am right. Again, just information sharing

pku 2010-12-28 04:12 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9386)
I see it as efficiency, no efficient movements. The original word I used was soft. I can tell you he is aggressive. He can ski power with 68mm waist skis.

I think you mean Powder.

Most strong skier can ski powder with a 68th waist skis ( 15 years ago, most people use skinny skis to ski powder ) and also depends on what type of powder, If you can ski powder on North Shore mountain, you can ski powder every where. ( I can't)

I think the following is more aggressive, efficiency and strong


pku 2010-12-28 04:16 PM

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作者: skier888 (文章 9388)
pivot is twisting/redirection of skis when they are not engaged (edging neutral).
steering is (same as your sentence but replace pivot with twisting)

I am not saying I am right. Again, just information sharing

They now saying turning thigh bone against hip socket is also a pivot movement. ( even the skis are on edge ) That's what I was told

beg 2010-12-28 04:26 PM

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Put them together so easy to see who is better skier.




ams 2010-12-28 09:21 PM

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while it is a good thing to share technical opinions may i ask u guys to open up a new thread on technical discussions? even keep on saying that my skiing is bad:face (50): i meant to share my joy of skiing in my ski trip with other forum readers, i means those silent readers. i can read from my youtube there are at least 28 persons. so please give some respect. :face (343):

ams 2010-12-28 10:15 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9390)
They now saying turning thigh bone against hip socket is also a pivot movement. ( even the skis are on edge ) That's what I was told

do u understand why:face (46): i would appreciate a precise and one time opinion:face (50):

PSBoy 2010-12-28 10:34 PM

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作者: ams (文章 9392)
while it is a good thing to share technical opinions may i ask u guys to open up a new thread on technical discussions? even keep on saying that my skiing is bad:face (50): i meant to share my joy of skiing in my ski trip with other forum readers, i means those silent readers. i can read from my youtube there are at least 28 persons. so please give some respect. :face (343):

Just quote some possible responses for your reference :-)

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作者: skier666 (文章 6629)

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作者: skier666 (文章 6653)
We likes to joke around here. Hope you don't mind.
We have been trained by Master norman to not take things too serious here:face (325):

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作者: ams (文章 6666)
exactly! otherwise u would have to write a book to answer each technical question brought about by our 大師 and he could post another thousand questions upon your response. :face (334):


snowrider 2010-12-28 11:08 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9380)
Then watch the 2nd and the 3rd guys of the first few seconds, do they have much upper body movement?

YouTube - Miyashita Masaki with WBSS

Hi pku, those guys in the vedio ski ski very well. Are you a part-time instructor at Whistler?

snowrider 2010-12-28 11:12 PM

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作者: pku (文章 9379)
the combination of edging and pivoting,

I think that you might want to go back to check again. Our PSIA has a different definition than this one.

PSBoy 2010-12-28 11:27 PM

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I think pku is correct. Here is the definition that is extracted from CSIA manual.

Steering: The blend of edging and pivoting with the control of the resulting pressure.

taichiskiing 2010-12-28 11:52 PM

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作者: PSBoy (文章 9398)
I think pku is correct. Here is the definition that is extracted from CSIA manual.

Steering: The blend of edging and pivoting with the control of the resulting pressure.

That's what the manual said, but given that pivoting causes sliding, and sliding causes edge losing pressure, how do you do it/steering?

:)
IS

pku 2010-12-29 03:03 AM

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作者: taichiskiing (文章 9399)
That's what the manual said, but given that pivoting causes sliding, and sliding causes edge losing pressure, how do you do it/steering?

:)
IS

You are right, more edge with bother pivoting ( turning the skis ) but ot use pivot and edge together ( which one use more depends on situation )

To control speed, we need to use more pivoting , on the other hand if ski fast, we need less pivoting and to the extreme; almost no pivoting ( carving - 2 pensil line on snow ) That's why the CSCF doesn't talk about pivoting at all.

pku 2010-12-29 03:16 AM

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作者: snowrider (文章 9396)
Hi pku, those guys in the vedio ski ski very well. Are you a part-time instructor at Whistler?

The first guy of the video is a demonstrator of Japan and got 2 years champion in the tecnical skiing, you can see how well his skis got constant contact with the snow, the 2nd and 3 rd guys are top CSIA level 4 in Whistler ( I was told by another level 4 who did the video )

I was a full and part time instructor ( as carver said, " low level instructor) on Whistler for 5 years starting 2001.

Quit the ski school and enjoy skiing with friends, ski Whistler every sunday and form the Vancouver ski gang and invite all Chinese skier visiting whistler to work as mountain Guide.

snowrider 2010-12-29 03:22 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9403)
The first guy of the video is a demonstrator of Japan and got 2 years champion in the tecnical skiing, you can see how well his skis got constant contact with the snow, the 2nd and 3 rd guys are top CSIA level 4 in Whistler ( I was told by another level 4 who did the video )

I was a full and part time instructor ( as carver said, " low level instructor) on Whistler for 5 years starting 2001.

Quit the ski school and enjoy skiing with friends, ski Whistler every sunday and form the Vancouver ski gang and invite all Chinese skier visiting whistler to work as mountain Guide.

That's interesting! I would like to visit Whistler again sometimes next year. Can you check to see if my PSIA card can get me any discount there?

pku 2010-12-29 03:27 AM

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作者: snowrider (文章 9397)
I think that you might want to go back to check again. Our PSIA has a different definition than this one.

the term use and defination is always different by different system. Just see how they actually do it on slope.

Just like Harald, his legs extend ( from short to longer ) to the side and he said he still keep his legs flexd. As his student do the same thing, then it ok.

snowrider 2010-12-29 03:29 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9405)
the term use and defination is always different by different system. Just see how they actually do it on slope.

Just like Harald, his legs extend ( from short to longer ) to the side and he said he still keep his legs flexd. As his student do the same thing, then it ok.

Yes, I agree. BTW, Harald used to be a member of PSIA demo team.

pku 2010-12-29 03:34 AM

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作者: snowrider (文章 9404)
That's interesting! I would like to visit Whistler again sometimes next year. Can you check to see if my PSIA card can get me any discount there?

We can get 50% off for 1-3 days by our CSIA card. I think they may give you 1 day 50% off, If you come on January, the shell gas station give out buy one get one free voucher if you fill up 10 gallon of gas.

Tichets for us is expensive, window price $100.00 include tax

you should come this year, snow is really good 250cm already ( very good year ),

snowrider 2010-12-29 03:50 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9407)
We can get 50% off for 1-3 days by our CSIA card. I think they may give you 1 day 50% off, If you come on January, the shell gas station give out buy one get one free voucher if you fill up 10 gallon of gas.

Tichets for us is expensive, window price $100.00 include tax

you should come this year, snow is really good 250cm already ( very good year ),

Thanks for the information.
I would like to, but the schedule is tight. If I can find a time to go, I will definitely let you know. Me and my friends are discussing our next ski trip to either Steamboat or North Tahoe.

BTW, since you are Whistler's local, I cannot wait to tell you how much we love the Sushi Village and Bear Foot.

skier888 2010-12-29 08:18 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9389)
I think you mean Powder.

Most strong skier can ski powder with a 68th waist skis ( 15 years ago, most people use skinny skis to ski powder ) and also depends on what type of powder, If you can ski powder on North Shore mountain, you can ski powder every where. ( I can't)

I think the following is more aggressive, efficiency and strong

YouTube - Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing

you are talking about different technique here. you can't compare apple to orange

skier888 2010-12-29 08:24 AM

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作者: pku (文章 9402)
You are right, more edge with bother pivoting ( turning the skis ) but ot use pivot and edge together ( which one use more depends on situation )

To control speed, we need to use more pivoting , on the other hand if ski fast, we need less pivoting and to the extreme; almost no pivoting ( carving - 2 pensil line on snow ) That's why the CSCF doesn't talk about pivoting at all.

How do you pivot in powder, especially wet powder? How do you control speed without pivot in powder. One ought to think about use turn shape and terrain for speed control.


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