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舊 2012-08-28, 03:33 PM   #24
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作者: Blake 查看文章
I think that what I said about how to absorb is true both in zipperlines and out of them.
It's even true if you are skiing groomed or trees and hit just one bump.

From pku: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .

No. I want to be very clear about this. The answer is No.

I have heard a lot of arguments about this kind of thing ever since I started
getting online. A lot of people try to say that it is harder to ski outside of a line
than in one, or that rounder turns are harder than turns made in a line. These
ideas are completely wrong. I had never heard anyone say these things until I
started getting online. The people who say these things are not very good skiers.
If they were good skiers, they would know that what they are saying is not true.
If they were truly good skiers, they would not think that skiing outside of a line
or making rounder turns is as difficult as they say it is. The fact that they
think it's so difficult to make round turns, or to ski outside of a line proves that
they lack skiing ability. They wouldn't say this if they had a lot of skiing ability.
I think that a lot of people that say these things are just trying to argue to
convince people that they are great skiers when they are not.

Whenever I teach a beginner mogul skier, they have usually learned to ski moguls
outside of a zipperline first before I start teaching them. I have to work with
them to get them to be able to ski in a line. Skiing outside of a line (which
involves rounder turns) is step one. Step two is skiing in a line.

The truth about this question is that in most cases if a skier is bad outside of a
line then that skier will probably also ski bad in one. But if a skier is bad in a line
it is possible that the skier could still ski good out of one (or with round turns in
the moguls). A skier that can ski good out of a line but not ski good in one is a
lot more common than a skier who is good in a line but not good out of one.
Therefore, skiing in a line is harder. I can ski with round turns out of lines or in
lines or whatever… the style I show in my videos is the most difficult and that is
why it is in my videos.

Skiing outside of a line and skiing with round turns in the moguls is kind of the
same thing. That is why I am explaining this in the way I am.

To be truly great in the moguls, you have to be able to make other kinds of turns well
outside of the moguls. The opposite is not true though. Olympic racers like Lindsay
Vonn do not need to be able to ski moguls well in order to be good racers. Usually
racers cannot ski bump lines.

If you look at the video you posted, several times in the video the skier stops
making round turns and starts skiing in the zipperline. When the skier does that
his skis do not stay on the snow. He is bouncing a lot. So his round turns are
better than his zipperline turns. He's also not very good at round turns though
because he can't even stay on the snow while he's making them. The guys are
usually not very smooth no matter what shape of turn they're making.

I think these guys are basically skiing the zipperline anyway... the round shape
of their turns is because they are on weird shaped, long moguls. These moguls
are really big and spread out. If I was on moguls that shape, my turns would
be longer and rounder too, because of the shape of the bumps.
Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube

From pku It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers )
I think most people don't want to learn to ski like those guys in the video above because
they don't like the way it looks as much as the freestyle way. I think less people
are doing it just because less people are interested in doing it that way. I am not sure if
there are a lot of people doing it the freestyle way, but I will say this... Machine-made
moguls should not count as moguls in my opinion. If you are talking about freestyle skiers
who ski machine-made moguls, I do not think that they are mogul skiers at all because
I think moguls cannot be machine-made if they are supposed to count as moguls.

--The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym.
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作者: pku 查看文章
I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis. They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the Interski events) of Japan and Austria.
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作者: Blake 查看文章
Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

TaiChiSkiing, I really enjoy your videos. My wife and I
do standing meditation (qigong postures) pretty much daily. By the way, I broke my
pelvis too once 16 years ago. It was no fun.

On the other thread, there was a question about "how to" pull up your feet (involving
muscle groups etc)... I think it is good to not over-analyze in skiing. You just have to
know what a movement should look like and try to do it without thinking about it. I
think that that way usually gets better results than analyzing movements in depth.
It's like what they say in Star Wars: "Don't think... Feel".

I also have not missed the questions about how close Norman is to skiing like me, or
how long it should take him or whatever... I don't want to get dragged into an
argument (which is why I didn't answer these questions).... I like Norman : ) ....
But I will say this:It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I am at in skiing.
If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it would take
someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me with less
practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different types of
terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years ago
so that I could ski better terrain.

A few years ago I heard about a ski resort that was being built in Western China called
PingTian. What ever happened with that? Did it ever open? I heard it was supposed
to be really cool.

Here are answers to a couple other questions that were asked...

My mogul style is pretty tiring. I like putting in the extra effort, but I am usually
really out of breath after 20 or 30 turns or something. There are other styles that
are a lot less tiring. The "technical style" discussed above is less tiring. Absorbing
less deep or bouncing accross the tops of moguls like some of the world cup skiers
often do would also be a lot less tiring.

I usually view jumping onto a mogul as a failure of absorption. I pretty much never jump
onto one, but when I do, it would be for some crazy mogul that's as tall as my stomach is
high or something.
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作者: Blake 查看文章
Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

Freestyle mogul skiing ( like how you skis on bumps ) concentrate on bump absorption. They absorb the bumps very good. But on the other hand, they don't edge.

If I watch your way of skiing the moguls, your feet are always under their upper body which make balance way more easy. If you watch those technical guys in the video, they need to extend their feet at least 2-3 feet away from their upper body to set their their edges and then steer their skis and get back their feet underneath them when they absorb. This is a much harder way to balance and require a lot more technique. Especially when they ski the zipper line, they can't control speed by really round out the turn but still need edge that much.

I got few Taiwan friends they self learn the freestyle way and they can ski the zipper line on the moguls like you. not as fast like you 10 years ago. I never saw any self learner can ski the zipper line like those guys in the video. Even the top CSIA L4 can't ski like those guys on the moguls. I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to thiose guys.

Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube

One more excellent mogul skiing video, the first guy, Bernd Greber, died in an avalanche around 12 years ago.

Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube

I am not alone, the following comment is a guy comment on You Tube on this video

Top Comments
First: For everybody saying that these guys are in the "back seat" and/or to "get forward"--you are incorrect. None of these guys are in the back seat. They are all centered and well balanced. When they hit the front side of the bump they flex ankle, knee and hip joints, and, yes, the hips go back. But when they extend down the backside of the bump the hips come right back up over the feet. This is fantastic bump skiing and prettier than comp bump skiing.
onemangarageband 2 years ago 8
Hi Blake,
Thanks for spending time to share your fun with us. Any kind of skiing style is hard for me and I'll be very happy if I can ski like you. It's hard to discuss the technique in words but it's no harm to try.

We all agree you are very strong skier but you just keep saying zipper line skiing is harder than round turn for you and everyone else you know by your experience. PKU has different opinions with some logical points (not ony personal experience).

When skiing round turn on edge, the centre of the body (COM) is away to the base of support. At some point COM and BOS are going to different direction. I think this is something require more technique to balance.

On the other hand the zipper line skier's upper and lower body is on one vertical line most of the time and it is not so complicated to balance. So I don't see why skiing round turn is easier than zipper line. Of course it's possible a smart person pick up faster on one kind like you.

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