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舊 2015-01-25, 02:38 AM   #1
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舊 2015-01-25, 05:51 AM   #2
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Which type of skiing do you think he skis better, bumps or groomed runs?

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舊 2015-01-25, 05:59 AM   #3
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Which type of skiing do you think he skis better, bumps or groomed runs?


I like his bumps, moguls and short turns ,

Many people can do carving long turns like him
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舊 2015-01-25, 06:04 AM   #4
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I like his bumps, moguls and short turns ,

Many people can do carving long turns like him
Yes, I agree. His long radius turns are not special. His short radius turns and bumps are good.

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舊 2015-01-25, 06:17 AM   #5
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Yes, I agree. His long radius turns are not special. His short radius turns and bumps are good.

I don't see many CSIA 4 skiing that types of moguls. That kind of moguls is quite rare in Canada.

Those I trained with cannot ski like that even on much easier bumps. I didn't see video of Canadian demonstrators skiing bumps much.

The guy Tobbin skis pretty goods on bumps but still not the level of Paul Lorenz. I like Tobbin's carving long turns.


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舊 2015-01-25, 11:53 AM   #6
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I don't see many CSIA 4 skiing that types of moguls. That kind of moguls is quite rare in Canada.

Those I trained with cannot ski like that even on much easier bumps. I didn't see video of Canadian demonstrators skiing bumps much.

The guy Tobbin skis pretty goods on bumps but still not the level of Paul Lorenz. I like Tobbin's carving long turns.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkDeYmuNJU
The music is good. The skier is excellent.
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舊 2015-01-25, 12:06 PM   #7
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I don't see many CSIA 4 skiing that types of moguls. That kind of moguls is quite rare in Canada.

Those I trained with cannot ski like that even on much easier bumps. I didn't see video of Canadian demonstrators skiing bumps much.

The guy Tobbin skis pretty goods on bumps but still not the level of Paul Lorenz. I like Tobbin's carving long turns.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkDeYmuNJU
I watched Lorenz' video clips again. His bump skiing is more like World Cup style, where they run over the bumps directly with absorption and extension but without much rotary movement (not much turn around bumps).
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舊 2015-01-25, 12:42 PM   #8
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I watched Lorenz' video clips again. His bump skiing is more like World Cup style, where they run over the bumps directly with absorption and extension but without much rotary movement (not much turn around bumps).
It's different from freestyle, skis still travel in an arc, skis are set away from center of mass with edges set before falling , good technical moguls skiing . I'll try to capture the photo and email to you . I don't know how to post picture here

The moguls line also determine the way of skiing them. That's my own opinion

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舊 2015-01-25, 01:29 PM   #9
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舊 2015-01-25, 01:52 PM   #10
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It's different from freestyle, skis still travel in an arc, skis are set away from center of mass with edges set before falling , good technical moguls skiing . I'll try to capture the photo and email to you . I don't know how to post picture here

The moguls line also determine the way of skiing them. That's my own opinion
I see what you are saying. The screen capture is at 2:02 on the video "TurnClips3".
I think that Lorenz applies more World Cup mogule style than our xSIA style. With the WC style, they ride on moguls more but turn around moguls less. With our xSIA styles, we turn around moguls more. His mogul style is kind of a combination of both, but we still can see some WC breed in his bump skiing. I am curious about his background. Is or has he been in some competition team?
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舊 2015-01-25, 02:06 PM   #11
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I see what you are saying. The screen capture is at 2:02 on the video "TurnClips3".
I think that Lorenz applies more World Cup mogule style than our xSIA style. With the WC style, they ride on moguls more but turn around moguls less. With our xSIA styles, we turn around moguls more. His mogul style is kind of a combination of both, but we still can see some WC breed in his bump skiing. I am curious about his background. Is or has he been in some competition team?
I checked his site. Only said he got his instructor L1 on 2002, CSIA L3 and L4 Australia .

He didn't have any freestyle moguls training. May be the Japan style moguls make him ski like that. Those top technical skiers in Japan ski moguls like that , even Richard Berger

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舊 2015-01-25, 05:05 PM   #12
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在我的看法只是一個是「伸展釋壓」滑法,一個是「收縮釋壓」滑法。


「收縮釋壓」滑法。


「伸展釋壓」滑法。

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舊 2015-01-25, 07:45 PM   #13
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在我的看法只是一個是「伸展釋壓」滑法,一個是「收縮釋壓」滑法。
他開始時應該是練伸展釋壓的,後來才練收縮釋壓。我記得這部影片,是最早見到的。看日期是2008年。

不知道有沒有誰也是滑收縮釋壓的?

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舊 2015-01-25, 07:53 PM   #14
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他開始時應該是練伸展釋壓的,後來才練收縮釋壓。我記得這部影片,是最早見到的。看日期是2008年。

不知道有沒有誰也是滑收縮釋壓的?

Dynamic Skiing - YouTube
個人看法。

都是收縮釋壓,只是他的上半身傾還未完全正確,所以滑起來,會看起來像伸展釋壓。
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舊 2015-01-25, 08:27 PM   #15
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不知道有沒有誰也是滑收縮釋壓的?
韓國人好像也是滑收縮釋壓的,不過不知道他們穿的是那一廠牌的雪靴,好像都有後坐的毛病,看起來就是沒有 Paul Lorenz 漂亮 ...

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舊 2015-01-26, 03:55 AM   #16
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在我的看法只是一個是「伸展釋壓」滑法,一個是「收縮釋壓」滑法。


「收縮釋壓」滑法。
http://youtu.be/3MsOHbk29og


「伸展釋壓」滑法。
http://youtu.be/NZkDeYmuNJU

http://youtu.be/MTF92Thv3l8

High end skiing , all 收縮釋壓,滑法。


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舊 2015-01-26, 06:51 AM   #17
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I see what you are saying. The screen capture is at 2:02 on the video "TurnClips3".
I think that Lorenz applies more World Cup mogule style than our xSIA style. With the WC style, they ride on moguls more but turn around moguls less. With our xSIA styles, we turn around moguls more. His mogul style is kind of a combination of both, but we still can see some WC breed in his bump skiing. I am curious about his background. Is or has he been in some competition team?
Some of the skiing here still doesn't show much rotary moverments of the legs, but still consider tecnical skiing, not freestyle. The most obvious differnence between the two ways of skiing is the hands position.

I heard our top CSIA guy JF is inspired by Richard Berger and Maruyama's skiing. I also heard PAul Lorenz is attenting the Hokaido Tecnical skiing championship


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舊 2015-01-26, 11:29 AM   #18
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收縮釋壓滑法,真的很不好練,除非專門特別去練,最好還要有會的人教,不然應該是極難練出來的。
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舊 2015-01-26, 02:25 PM   #19
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Some of the skiing here still doesn't show much rotary moverments of the legs, but still consider tecnical skiing, not freestyle. The most obvious differnence between the two ways of skiing is the hands position.

I heard our top CSIA guy JF is inspired by Richard Berger and Maruyama's skiing. I also heard PAul Lorenz is attenting the Hokaido Tecnical skiing championship


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwvSfitjG9w
Found his profile on the web:

http://www.paullorenzclinics.com/#!a...ul/galleryPage

He is really a gifted skier: "At age 19, Paul was one of the youngest in history to pass the APSI National Level 4 exam and one of the few to complete all certification exams in consecutive seasons."
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舊 2015-01-26, 02:32 PM   #20
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Found his profile on the web:

http://www.paullorenzclinics.com/#!a...ul/galleryPage

He is really a gifted skier: "At age 19, Paul was one of the youngest in history to pass the APSI National Level 4 exam and one of the few to complete all certification exams in consecutive seasons."
雖然我不是很確定,但我認為也懷疑(我沒有去問及證實,也許可以去問問,但又覺得太八卦了,就提不起想問。)有個都很會滑雪的家庭,甚至爸爸爺爺可能是校長,這個年紀想不要厲害也難吧?
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