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舊 2012-07-09, 11:01 PM   #41
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明明講得那麼完全又單純,偏偏你們要自作聰明多想些有的沒有的,我都覺得是不是我們的智商對應不上了?我一直認為你們把事實複雜化反而看不到真實,而你們覺得我把問題看得太簡單,但事實上本來就是一件很簡單的事情被你們的一知半解搞得那麼複雜,不累嗎?
如果以一D滑法的標準來説,勉強可以說完全。
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舊 2012-07-13, 11:33 AM   #42
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Norman asked in his post to explain my way of absorbing...

I have been translating this forum on google, it's not perfect, but I can basically understand everything.

I'll start with a basic explanation and then add my own conclusions about absorption after the first paragraph.
I wish we could have this translated by a professional translator or something. I've written the best explanation
of absorption that I can, I just hope it won't be too hard to understand since I'm writing in English.


The way to absorb moguls is to bring your knees up towards your chest as your feet hit them. On the uphill side
of the moguls, your feet need to be slightly out in front of you so that your skis can point up the mogul then on
the downhill side of the mogul your skis need to point down the mogul, which means your feet need to be curled
back towards your butt as you straighten your legs. In between moguls your skis point level (parallel to the
steepness of the ground under the moguls) and down the hill while your body is straight... and on top of the mogul
your skis should reach a point where they are also level and parallel to the steepness of the ground under the
moguls and your body is low, bent at the knees. --The motion of your legs will be like you're pedaling a bicycle
backwards.


If you keep your legs directly under you while you absorb, instead of doing a more circular motion like pedaling a
bike, then what happens is that the resistance of the ski (the stiffness of it) knocks your weight back on the uphill
side of the mogul (then possibly also forward on the downhill side). Your skis will also not stay on the snow if you
don't point them up the fronts and down the backs of moguls, unless they are as flexible as a well cooked noodle.


It's really important to bend at your knees and NOT at your hips. As your butt gets lower while you absorb, you
should not bend the angle of your back forward any more than you have to. In other words, don't let your shoulders
move forward any more than you have to. So how much do you have to? --The minimum amount necessary in order
to not have your weight too far back. The lower you need to absorb, the farther forward the angle of your back
will have to go in order to not have your weight too far back, but always move your back forward the minimum amount
necessary. Absorb mainly with your knees. If you have the angle of your back more forward than it has to be, then
you will not be able to absorb well. Your upper body will get in the way of the motion of your legs.


Your weight needs to be centered, NOT forward like most people say. If you are forward, you will smack your ski tips
and your feet into the moguls and you will not be balanced or smooth. You should also not be too far back with your
weight. Being too far back or forward also messes up the angles of your body. You have to be centered.


How low you need to absorb is determined by the size of the mogul. The amount your feet should be brought up should
be equal to the size of the mogul. A lot of mogul skiers have their skis come off of the ground between moguls. This
can happen for three reasons. Either the mogul skier is absorbing too slowly (he is bringing his feet up too slowly for
the speed he is skiing at) or his timing is off, or he is not absorbing deep enough. The cause of this bouncing could
also be all three reasons (bad timing, slow absorption and shallow absorption together). The faster you ski, the faster
you will need to bring your feet up on the uphill sides of moguls and the faster you'll have to push them down on the
downhill side in order to not come off the ground. It's best to stay on the ground so that you can be smoother. All
mogul skiers try to stay on the ground, but it's not easy at high speeds. You should never jump onto moguls. The
motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.
Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats. At high speeds you
pull your feet up and let the mogul pass under you. Your legs straighten when the mogul has passed and is no longer
under you. At lower speeds it's a little more like lowering your butt, at higher speeds it's more like pulling your feet up.


Try to hit the moguls as lightly as possible. Try to not make any noise when you hit them. Most skiers can't do it
quietly, but it's good to try.


Always do what feels natural and balanced, and keep your hands in front of you.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies : ) I will be back to talk more when I have more time. I have been extremely busy
lately. I actually wrote this post at work.

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舊 2012-07-13, 02:51 PM   #43
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Norman asked in his post to explain my way of absorbing...

I have been translating this forum on google, it's not perfect, but I can basically understand everything.

I'll start with a basic explanation and then add my own conclusions about absorption after the first paragraph.
I wish we could have this translated by a professional translator or something. I've written the best explanation
of absorption that I can, I just hope it won't be too hard to understand since I'm writing in English.


The way to absorb moguls is to bring your knees up towards your chest as your feet hit them. On the uphill side
of the moguls, your feet need to be slightly out in front of you so that your skis can point up the mogul then on
the downhill side of the mogul your skis need to point down the mogul, which means your feet need to be curled
back towards your butt as you straighten your legs. In between moguls your skis point level (parallel to the
steepness of the ground under the moguls) and down the hill while your body is straight... and on top of the mogul
your skis should reach a point where they are also level and parallel to the steepness of the ground under the
moguls and your body is low, bent at the knees. --The motion of your legs will be like you're pedaling a bicycle backwards.


If you keep your legs directly under you while you absorb, instead of doing a more circular motion like pedaling a
bike, then what happens is that the resistance of the ski (the stiffness of it) knocks your weight back on the uphill
side of the mogul (then possibly also forward on the downhill side). Your skis will also not stay on the snow if you
don't point them up the fronts and down the backs of moguls, unless they are as flexible as a well cooked noodle.


It's really important to bend at your knees and NOT at your hips. As your butt gets lower while you absorb, you
should not bend the angle of your back forward any more than you have to. In other words, don't let your shoulders
move forward any more than you have to. So how much do you have to? --The minimum amount necessary in order
to not have your weight too far back. The lower you need to absorb, the farther forward the angle of your back
will have to go in order to not have your weight too far back, but always move your back forward the minimum amount
necessary. Absorb mainly with your knees. If you have the angle of your back more forward than it has to be, then
you will not be able to absorb well. Your upper body will get in the way of the motion of your legs.


Your weight needs to be centered, NOT forward like most people say. If you are forward, you will smack your ski tips
and your feet into the moguls and you will not be balanced or smooth. You should also not be too far back with your
weight. Being too far back or forward also messes up the angles of your body. You have to be centered.


How low you need to absorb is determined by the size of the mogul. The amount your feet should be brought up should
be equal to the size of the mogul.
A lot of mogul skiers have their skis come off of the ground between moguls. This
can happen for three reasons. Either the mogul skier is absorbing too slowly (he is bringing his feet up too slowly for
the speed he is skiing at) or his timing is off, or he is not absorbing deep enough. The cause of this bouncing could
also be all three reasons (bad timing, slow absorption and shallow absorption together).
The faster you ski, the faster
you will need to bring your feet up on the uphill sides of moguls and the faster you'll have to push them down on the
downhill side in order to not come off the ground. It's best to stay on the ground so that you can be smoother. All
mogul skiers try to stay on the ground, but it's not easy at high speeds. You should never jump onto moguls. The
motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.

Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats. At high speeds you
pull your feet up and let the mogul pass under you. Your legs straighten when the mogul has passed and is no longer
under you. At lower speeds it's a little more like lowering your butt, at higher speeds it's more like pulling your feet up.


Try to hit the moguls as lightly as possible. Try to not make any noise when you hit them. Most skiers can't do it
quietly, but it's good to try.


Always do what feels natural and balanced, and keep your hands in front of you.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies : ) I will be back to talk more when I have more time. I have been extremely busy
lately. I actually wrote this post at work.
Hi Blake:

Thank your real very well point and explain your way of absorbing.

I use green color point out some sentence. I hope you do not mind.
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舊 2012-07-14, 12:41 PM   #44
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Norman asked in his post to explain my way of absorbing...

I have been translating this forum on google, it's not perfect, but I can basically understand everything.

I'll start with a basic explanation and then add my own conclusions about absorption after the first paragraph.
I wish we could have this translated by a professional translator or something. I've written the best explanation
of absorption that I can, I just hope it won't be too hard to understand since I'm writing in English.


The way to absorb moguls is to bring your knees up towards your chest as your feet hit them. On the uphill side
of the moguls, your feet need to be slightly out in front of you so that your skis can point up the mogul then on
the downhill side of the mogul your skis need to point down the mogul, which means your feet need to be curled
back towards your butt as you straighten your legs. In between moguls your skis point level (parallel to the
steepness of the ground under the moguls) and down the hill while your body is straight... and on top of the mogul
your skis should reach a point where they are also level and parallel to the steepness of the ground under the
moguls and your body is low, bent at the knees. --The motion of your legs will be like you're pedaling a bicycle
backwards.


If you keep your legs directly under you while you absorb, instead of doing a more circular motion like pedaling a
bike, then what happens is that the resistance of the ski (the stiffness of it) knocks your weight back on the uphill
side of the mogul (then possibly also forward on the downhill side). Your skis will also not stay on the snow if you
don't point them up the fronts and down the backs of moguls, unless they are as flexible as a well cooked noodle.


It's really important to bend at your knees and NOT at your hips. As your butt gets lower while you absorb, you
should not bend the angle of your back forward any more than you have to. In other words, don't let your shoulders
move forward any more than you have to. So how much do you have to? --The minimum amount necessary in order
to not have your weight too far back. The lower you need to absorb, the farther forward the angle of your back
will have to go in order to not have your weight too far back, but always move your back forward the minimum amount
necessary. Absorb mainly with your knees. If you have the angle of your back more forward than it has to be, then
you will not be able to absorb well. Your upper body will get in the way of the motion of your legs.


Your weight needs to be centered, NOT forward like most people say. If you are forward, you will smack your ski tips
and your feet into the moguls and you will not be balanced or smooth. You should also not be too far back with your
weight. Being too far back or forward also messes up the angles of your body. You have to be centered.


How low you need to absorb is determined by the size of the mogul. The amount your feet should be brought up should
be equal to the size of the mogul. A lot of mogul skiers have their skis come off of the ground between moguls. This
can happen for three reasons. Either the mogul skier is absorbing too slowly (he is bringing his feet up too slowly for
the speed he is skiing at) or his timing is off, or he is not absorbing deep enough. The cause of this bouncing could
also be all three reasons (bad timing, slow absorption and shallow absorption together). The faster you ski, the faster
you will need to bring your feet up on the uphill sides of moguls and the faster you'll have to push them down on the
downhill side in order to not come off the ground. It's best to stay on the ground so that you can be smoother. All
mogul skiers try to stay on the ground, but it's not easy at high speeds. You should never jump onto moguls. The
motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.
Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats. At high speeds you
pull your feet up and let the mogul pass under you. Your legs straighten when the mogul has passed and is no longer
under you. At lower speeds it's a little more like lowering your butt, at higher speeds it's more like pulling your feet up.


Try to hit the moguls as lightly as possible. Try to not make any noise when you hit them. Most skiers can't do it
quietly, but it's good to try.


Always do what feels natural and balanced, and keep your hands in front of you.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies : ) I will be back to talk more when I have more time. I have been extremely busy
lately. I actually wrote this post at work.
Thanks for your detail explanation.

You are a very good mogul skier. the way you ski the moguls is more like the freestyle way. It seems to me you have a freestyle moguls training background. When you ski off the moguls, you ski more rounder turn, not the freestyle short turn.

Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) . It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers )

There are very few people can ski like the following people, please have patience to watch the whole video since some of them are still using straight skis especially the first guy.

Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube


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Norman asked in his post to explain my way of absorbing...

I have been translating this forum on google, it's not perfect, but I can basically understand everything.

I'll start with a basic explanation and then add my own conclusions about absorption after the first paragraph.
I wish we could have this translated by a professional translator or something. I've written the best explanation
of absorption that I can, I just hope it won't be too hard to understand since I'm writing in English.
Thanks for the detailed explanations; they are well written and quite accurate. Maybe it is a good thing that you don't understand Chinese; the Chinese posting in this thread really nothing more than pointless bitch-fights, I was afraid that you might be leaving in disgust. Thanks for coming back.

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The way to absorb moguls is to bring your knees up towards your chest as your feet hit them. On the uphill side
of the moguls, your feet need to be slightly out in front of you so that your skis can point up the mogul then on
the downhill side of the mogul your skis need to point down the mogul, which means your feet need to be curled
back towards your butt as you straighten your legs. In between moguls your skis point level (parallel to the
steepness of the ground under the moguls) and down the hill while your body is straight... and on top of the mogul
your skis should reach a point where they are also level and parallel to the steepness of the ground under the
moguls and your body is low, bent at the knees. --The motion of your legs will be like you're pedaling a bicycle
backwards.
You are talking about "zipper-line" mogul techniques of course. Maybe I rephrase them a bit to straighten my understanding, while you use "bent at the knees" to absorb the "shocks" when you hit the uphill side of the mogul and straighten the knees somewhat on the downhill side, it appears that you also flex your ankles on the uphill side of the mogul and extend your ankles on the downhill side of the mogul so to keep the skis' contact on the snow to maintain a constant pressure and to the control of the speed, back pedaling a bicycle it is, well said, so there is no argument there. The contention on this board/forum is "how" to "bring your knees up." Could you explain that? (I've said pulling the thigh muscles to bring the knees/feet up, but Norman said it's not (but he wouldn't say how, he has said that is his "secret," to cover what he cannot answer/cannot do, so we call him BS.)

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If you keep your legs directly under you while you absorb, instead of doing a more circular motion like pedaling a
bike, then what happens is that the resistance of the ski (the stiffness of it) knocks your weight back on the uphill
side of the mogul (then possibly also forward on the downhill side). Your skis will also not stay on the snow if you don't point them up the fronts and down the backs of moguls, unless they are as flexible as a well cooked noodle.
The way I see the "absorption" is to reduce the "weight"/pressure that put on the feet/skis. There are two ways to achieve that: 1) the way you do it is what most people called "zipper-line" mogul technique—shorten the distant between the weight/butt and the feet, where "bent knees" reduce the pressure on the feet and straighten the knees to increase the pressure on the feet—and 2) reducing the skis' pressure by skiing a longer distant—a curvier path—so-called "dynamic short turns," which I do. "Flat-skiing," keeping the skis parallel to the slope (as you termed "parallel to the steepness of the ground under the moguls" and to the snow, is what I've called "Flatboarding,"

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: mogul - YouTube



I think that zipper-line mogul technique is more technical as well as dynamic and elegant way to ski the moguls, but dynamic short turns are easier, thus less exhausting.

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It's really important to bend at your knees and NOT at your hips. As your butt gets lower while you absorb, you
should not bend the angle of your back forward any more than you have to. In other words, don't let your shoulders
move forward any more than you have to. So how much do you have to? --The minimum amount necessary in order
to not have your weight too far back. The lower you need to absorb, the farther forward the angle of your back
will have to go in order to not have your weight too far back, but always move your back forward the minimum amount
necessary. Absorb mainly with your knees. If you have the angle of your back more forward than it has to be, then
you will not be able to absorb well. Your upper body will get in the way of the motion of your legs.

Your weight needs to be centered, NOT forward like most people say. If you are forward, you will smack your ski tips and your feet into the moguls and you will not be balanced or smooth. You should also not be too far back with your weight. Being too far back or forward also messes up the angles of your body. You have to be centered.
In other words, keep the upper body "straight"/upright and as "quiet" as possible, yes. Glad that you still have your "knees," mine can only barely support my weight now, so I use my weight as center, i.e. I move my weight first to maintain balance.

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How low you need to absorb is determined by the size of the mogul. The amount your feet should be brought up should
be equal to the size of the mogul. A lot of mogul skiers have their skis come off of the ground between moguls. This can happen for three reasons. Either the mogul skier is absorbing too slowly (he is bringing his feet up too slowly for the speed he is skiing at) or his timing is off, or he is not absorbing deep enough. The cause of this bouncing could also be all three reasons (bad timing, slow absorption and shallow absorption together). The faster you ski, the faster you will need to bring your feet up on the uphill sides of moguls and the faster you'll have to push them down on the downhill side in order to not come off the ground. It's best to stay on the ground so that you can be smoother. All mogul skiers try to stay on the ground, but it's not easy at high speeds. You should never jump onto moguls.
Well said, but as you said, "it's not easy at high speeds," sometimes jumping off the ground is unavoidable at the high speeds, so learn how to "land" is also a crucial part mogul skiing, as well as skidding to brake.

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The motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.
Well said, this statement answers the question "how to bring your knees up" above.

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Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats. At high speeds you
pull your feet up and let the mogul pass under you. Your legs straighten when the mogul has passed and is no longer
under you. At lower speeds it's a little more like lowering your butt, at higher speeds it's more like pulling your feet up.
Norman, this paragraph should answer your question about your La-Ti/拉提, as well as what the second person does on the pull-up bar.

收腳練習.wmv - YouTube



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Try to hit the moguls as lightly as possible. Try to not make any noise when you hit them. Most skiers can't do it
quietly, but it's good to try.

Always do what feels natural and balanced, and keep your hands in front of you.

Thanks to everyone for all the replies : ) I will be back to talk more when I have more time. I have been extremely busy lately. I actually wrote this post at work.
Thanks again for the explanations, no rush, but do please come back soon.

:)
IS
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Thanks for the detailed explanations; they are well written and quite accurate. Maybe it is a good thing that you don't understand Chinese; the Chinese posting in this thread really nothing more than pointless bitch-fights, I was afraid that you might be leaving in disgust. Thanks for coming back.



You are talking about "zipper-line" mogul techniques of course. Maybe I rephrase them a bit to straighten my understanding, while you use "bent at the knees" to absorb the "shocks" when you hit the uphill side of the mogul and straighten the knees somewhat on the downhill side, it appears that you also flex your ankles on the uphill side of the mogul and extend your ankles on the downhill side of the mogul so to keep the skis' contact on the snow to maintain a constant pressure and to the control of the speed, back pedaling a bicycle it is, well said, so there is no argument there. The contention on this board/forum is "how" to "bring your knees up." Could you explain that? (I've said pulling the thigh muscles to bring the knees/feet up, but Norman said it's not (but he wouldn't say how, he has said that is his "secret," to cover what he cannot answer/cannot do, so we call him BS.)



The way I see the "absorption" is to reduce the "weight"/pressure that put on the feet/skis. There are two ways to achieve that: 1) the way you do it is what most people called "zipper-line" mogul technique—shorten the distant between the weight/butt and the feet, where "bent knees" reduce the pressure on the feet and straighten the knees to increase the pressure on the feet—and 2) reducing the skis' pressure by skiing a longer distant—a curvier path—so-called "dynamic short turns," which I do. "Flat-skiing," keeping the skis parallel to the slope (as you termed "parallel to the steepness of the ground under the moguls" and to the snow, is what I've called "Flatboarding,"

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: mogul - YouTube


I think that zipper-line mogul technique is more technical as well as dynamic and elegant way to ski the moguls, but dynamic short turns are easier, thus less exhausting.



In other words, keep the upper body "straight"/upright and as "quiet" as possible, yes. Glad that you still have your "knees," mine can only barely support my weight now, so I use my weight as center, i.e. I move my weight first to maintain balance.



Well said, but as you said, "it's not easy at high speeds," sometimes jumping off the ground is unavoidable at the high speeds, so learn how to "land" is also a crucial part mogul skiing, as well as skidding to brake.



Well said, this statement answers the question "how to bring your knees up" above.



Norman, this paragraph should answer your question about your La-Ti/拉提, as well as what the second person does on the pull-up bar.

收腳練習.wmv - YouTube




Thanks again for the explanations, no rush, but do please come back soon.

:)
IS
Blake講的拉吧跟我講的拉腳有哪裏不一樣?且Blake都已經講那麼清楚如何拉起雙腳的方式了,你還要人家什麼講?

你不是說手跟腳是沒關係的,怎麼換個人講就換個說法了?

我的秘密是指我可以在極短的時間利用練習讓人學會如何把雙腳拉起來,而不是說雙腳是如何拉起來,兩者是有差別的,我想你是分不清這兩種說法的。

你腦筋轉不過來,我只好明講,且就利用Blake講的拉吧方式,你玩拉吧,主要是用大臂肌肉把吧桿拉下來的嗎?我相信這是不可能的吧?要是你的胸肌及背肌受傷,我看你還能不能把手舉起來?同理可說,拉腳一樣是主力在下腹肌,你的下腹肌要是受傷的話,我相信你的腳是拉抬不起來的,所以你說拉提雙腳主要是用大腿肌,根本就是不可能的。

由這些話來講,你回Blake的許多話就顯得...
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Blake講的拉吧跟我講的拉腳有哪裏不一樣?且Blake都已經講那麼清楚如何拉起雙腳的方式了,你還要人家什麼講?
沒這個事,你從來沒說過你怎麼“拉提”的,那是你的“密技”,你“老人痴呆”不記得了?現在別人說出來你就跟別人說的一樣?只是Blake還沒說用那些肌肉來做這個動作,你附合的太早了,你還是在“偷偷學,偷偷改”。

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你不是說手跟腳是沒關係的,怎麼換個人講就換個說法了?
不是,我是說你“手、腳不分”。

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我的秘密是指我可以在極短的時間利用練習讓人學會如何把雙腳拉起來,而不是說雙腳是如何拉起來,兩者是有差別的,我想你是分不清這兩種說法的。
不是,你自己都不會如何把雙腳拉起來,說在極短的時間讓人學會是你「不知所云」的“幻想”。

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你腦筋轉不過來,我只好明講,且就利用Blake講的拉吧方式,你玩拉吧,主要是用大臂肌肉把吧桿拉下來的嗎?我相信這是不可能的吧?要是你的胸肌及背肌受傷,我看你還能不能把手舉起來?
不懂你那三個問號是什麼意思,但是答案都是肯定的,你要是看過功夫打鬥的電影就應該知道‧大臂肌肉、胸肌及背肌只是用來把你人掛在空中,你要是能把你自己掛在空中(用繩子做個圈套掛在單槓上會不會?只是不要掛在脖子就可以了),你不需要用那些肌肉也應該可以拉提你雙腳的,除非你是白痴才不能。

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同理可說,拉腳一樣是主力在下腹肌,你的下腹肌要是受傷的話,我相信你的腳是拉抬不起來的,所以你說拉提雙腳主要是用大腿肌,根本就是不可能的。
用腹肌(就是受傷也可以,不知道加用背肌幫助更大?)可以幫助用大腿肌肉做拉提,但是你說不用大腿肌肉,那才是不可能的‧你現在說用腹肌,而我前面已經指明,但是你看不懂、否認?

“而“真正的拉提收縮”卻是下面這個,特別注意的從0:39~1:12和0:43跟0:55單張照片。”

Mogul Logic, Mogul Skiing Lesson on Extension with Chuck Martin - YouTube



你的“死辯”只是証明你“不懂”人体運動的生理,白痴。

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由這些話來講,你回Blake的許多話就顯得...
“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

:)
IS

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沒這個事,你從來沒說過你怎麼“拉提”的,那是你的“密技”,你“老人痴呆”不記得了?現在別人說出來你就跟別人說的一樣?只是Blake還沒說用那些肌肉來做這個動作,你附合的太早了,你還是在“偷偷學,偷偷改”。



不是,我是說你“手、腳不分”。



不是,你自己都不會如何把雙腳拉起來,說在極短的時間讓人學會是你「不知所云」的“幻想”。



不懂你那三個問號是什麼意思,但是答案都是肯定的,你要是看過功夫打鬥的電影就應該知道‧大臂肌肉、胸肌及背肌只是用來把你人掛在空中,你要是能把你自己掛在空中(用繩子做個圈套掛在單槓上會不會?只是不要掛在脖子就可以了),你不需要用那些肌肉也應該可以拉提你雙腳的,除非你是白痴才不能。



用腹肌(就是受傷也可以,不知道加用背肌幫助更大?)可以幫助用大腿肌肉做拉提,但是你說不用大腿肌肉,那才是不可能的‧你現在說用腹肌,而我前面已經指明,但是你看不懂、否認?

“而“真正的拉提收縮”卻是下面這個,特別注意的從0:39~1:12和0:43跟0:55單張照片。”

Mogul Logic, Mogul Skiing Lesson on Extension with Chuck Martin - YouTube


你的“死辯”只是証明你“不懂”人体運動的生理,白痴。



“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

:)
IS
我附合了什麼,我早點講比較好,先講如何偷偷改偷偷學?是不是在後面的回答不就知了嗎?很多人會做也不一定真的清楚。要是我後回附和,那豈不是更讓你冠上偷偷改偷偷學囉,這才是小人行為吧。

我只看到你還在死辯,我早就證明,我可以不用跳也不用蹲的拉提收縮了,你還要跳或是用蹲來做,那根本就不是拉提收縮。

blake:You should never jump onto moguls. The
motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.

我已說真正主力是腹肌,用背肌只會讓你彎腰蹲下去,真是越辯越知你的問題在哪了。

你對肌肉的生理運用的邏輯能力真差,我再用拉吧的方式舉給你聽,背肌收縮會把大腿往後拉,胸肌收縮才會把大臂往前拉,拉吧時手在前面,所以是用胸側下肌收縮才能把手往下壓,而把手往下壓就要用到背側三角肌才能把手往上拉起來,但別忘了,手往下壓才是跟腿往上拉是一樣的意思,因為是往身體的中心收縮,所以blake也講了一句很重要的話:Your weight needs to be centered,你應該不能體會這是什麼意思的,無法做到不跳不蹲就能收縮的動作是不可能真正理解的。

通篇回應看起來就像腦差成怒,回言就先連同他人貶低及罵人一下,嚇死人囉。
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I think that what I said about how to absorb is true both in zipperlines and out of them.
It's even true if you are skiing groomed or trees and hit just one bump.

From pku: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .

No. I want to be very clear about this. The answer is No.

I have heard a lot of arguments about this kind of thing ever since I started
getting online. A lot of people try to say that it is harder to ski outside of a line
than in one, or that rounder turns are harder than turns made in a line. These
ideas are completely wrong. I had never heard anyone say these things until I
started getting online. The people who say these things are not very good skiers.
If they were good skiers, they would know that what they are saying is not true.
If they were truly good skiers, they would not think that skiing outside of a line
or making rounder turns is as difficult as they say it is. The fact that they
think it's so difficult to make round turns, or to ski outside of a line proves that
they lack skiing ability. They wouldn't say this if they had a lot of skiing ability.
I think that a lot of people that say these things are just trying to argue to
convince people that they are great skiers when they are not.

Whenever I teach a beginner mogul skier, they have usually learned to ski moguls
outside of a zipperline first before I start teaching them. I have to work with
them to get them to be able to ski in a line. Skiing outside of a line (which
involves rounder turns) is step one. Step two is skiing in a line.

The truth about this question is that in most cases if a skier is bad outside of a
line then that skier will probably also ski bad in one. But if a skier is bad in a line
it is possible that the skier could still ski good out of one (or with round turns in
the moguls). A skier that can ski good out of a line but not ski good in one is a
lot more common than a skier who is good in a line but not good out of one.
Therefore, skiing in a line is harder. I can ski with round turns out of lines or in
lines or whatever… the style I show in my videos is the most difficult and that is
why it is in my videos.

Skiing outside of a line and skiing with round turns in the moguls is kind of the
same thing. That is why I am explaining this in the way I am.

To be truly great in the moguls, you have to be able to make other kinds of turns well
outside of the moguls. The opposite is not true though. Olympic racers like Lindsay
Vonn do not need to be able to ski moguls well in order to be good racers. Usually
racers cannot ski bump lines.

If you look at the video you posted, several times in the video the skier stops
making round turns and starts skiing in the zipperline. When the skier does that
his skis do not stay on the snow. He is bouncing a lot. So his round turns are
better than his zipperline turns. He's also not very good at round turns though
because he can't even stay on the snow while he's making them. The guys are
usually not very smooth no matter what shape of turn they're making.

I think these guys are basically skiing the zipperline anyway... the round shape
of their turns is because they are on weird shaped, long moguls. These moguls
are really big and spread out. If I was on moguls that shape, my turns would
be longer and rounder too, because of the shape of the bumps.
Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube


From pku It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers )
I think most people don't want to learn to ski like those guys in the video above because
they don't like the way it looks as much as the freestyle way. I think less people
are doing it just because less people are interested in doing it that way. I am not sure if
there are a lot of people doing it the freestyle way, but I will say this... Machine-made
moguls should not count as moguls in my opinion. If you are talking about freestyle skiers
who ski machine-made moguls, I do not think that they are mogul skiers at all because
I think moguls cannot be machine-made if they are supposed to count as moguls.

--The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym.
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Thanks for the detailed explanations; they are well written and quite accurate. Maybe it is a good thing that you don't understand Chinese; the Chinese posting in this thread really nothing more than pointless bitch-fights, I was afraid that you might be leaving in disgust. Thanks for coming back.


:)
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Hi Blake,
I Totally agree with Taichi. The following post is one of millions pointless bitch-fights that Taichi left in Epicski forum. That's why he got kick away from all other forums. So Blake I advice you try to understand Taichi when you communicate with him. Once you disagree his funky "Taichiskiing", he will bite you and never let you go. Just google "Taichiskiing" then you"ll see what he left on the net with his 30+ years skiing.


http://www.epicski.com/t/27418/tai-chi-skiing

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Okay... So let me get this straight. TCS, you have no conventional skiing knowledge, no previous experience instructing under any formally recognized method, and no mountain to legally instruct your students at. You came to this forum, and decided to tell some of the best coaches and instrucors in the industry

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That's what I heard, but haven't seen them, not the ones I have encountered, anyway.


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that they have no knowledge of skiing and your methods are better,



No, I'm not arrogant enough to even assume that there's one member of this forum who has "no knowledge of skiing," and the "better" is only your mutated reasoning, so you can put it down to elevate yourself, as because there are some of the "best" of something out there can do it so you too can claim the credit?Quote:
and then proceeded to bash many other seasoned expert skiers, and other well respected senior members of this forum.



I don't bash, but reflect the observed facts. If you feel there's bash in there, that maybe is because the true reality bites.

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And everyone else here according to you are the ones who are blinded by our own arrogance? Youre kidding right?



Not everyone, just you, maybe.

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The methods you teach are so far from being any sort of correct skiing style that it makes me sick that you are teaching this to other people. Luckily you dont have more than 40 students a season, and the amount of those students that are repeats to a true ski school is probably a minimum...



You don't really know how I teach, do you? [Why you don't know?] Because I haven't talked about it.Quote:
Now, dont get me wrong, I understand and respect the ideas Tai-chi in its traditional form, but how you have applied it to skiing is utterly rediculous. The things that you are teaching your students are in no way useful for them to further their skiing ability... or even enjoy the sport for what it is for that matter.



To say you don't know what you are talking about.

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You are proof that why in some species parents eat their young...



Your mutated reasoning is obvious. Some parents deplete their children's source of knowledge, so to ensure that children will not be better than them...


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Your techniques are useless, so please stop attempting to bash an already very adept skiing crowd with this nonsense. You do not have to go through all of your weird movements to be at one with gravity and the slope and all that BS. Yes, and I know if you respond it is going to be that I an arrogant and ignorant of the true ways of skiing, but i probably have more skiing talent and more balance in my left toe than you have in your entire body. You are not enlightened, you are not talented, your ideas are absurd, and you are definitely not welcomed here by many of our forum members.

Later

GREG



You mean the regular mob of little knowledge? Of course not, who needs to learn new thing when they have the sheer self-righteous egotism?
But I know this forum is much bigger than that.

So I'm here to keep those entertained,
IS

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Blake講的拉吧跟我講的拉腳有哪裏不一樣?且Blake都已經講那麼清楚如何拉起雙腳的方式了,你還要人家什麼講?

你不是說手跟腳是沒關係的,怎麼換個人講就換個說法了?

我的秘密是指我可以在極短的時間利用練習讓人學會如何把雙腳拉起來,而不是說雙腳是如何拉起來,兩者是有差別的,我想你是分不清這兩種說法的。

你腦筋轉不過來,我只好明講,且就利用Blake講的拉吧方式,你玩拉吧,主要是用大臂肌肉把吧桿拉下來的嗎?我相信這是不可能的吧?要是你的胸肌及背肌受傷,我看你還能不能把手舉起來?同理可說,拉腳一樣是主力在下腹肌,你的下腹肌要是受傷的話,我相信你的腳是拉抬不起來的,所以你說拉提雙腳主要是用大腿肌,根本就是不可能的。

由這些話來講,你回Blake的許多話就顯得...
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沒這個事,你從來沒說過你怎麼“拉提”的,那是你的“密技”,你“老人痴呆”不記得了?現在別人說出來你就跟別人說的一樣?只是Blake還沒說用那些肌肉來做這個動作,你附合的太早了,你還是在“偷偷學,偷偷改”。



不是,我是說你“手、腳不分”。



不是,你自己都不會如何把雙腳拉起來,說在極短的時間讓人學會是你「不知所云」的“幻想”。



不懂你那三個問號是什麼意思,但是答案都是肯定的,你要是看過功夫打鬥的電影就應該知道‧大臂肌肉、胸肌及背肌只是用來把你人掛在空中,你要是能把你自己掛在空中(用繩子做個圈套掛在單槓上會不會?只是不要掛在脖子就可以了),你不需要用那些肌肉也應該可以拉提你雙腳的,除非你是白痴才不能。



用腹肌(就是受傷也可以,不知道加用背肌幫助更大?)可以幫助用大腿肌肉做拉提,但是你說不用大腿肌肉,那才是不可能的‧你現在說用腹肌,而我前面已經指明,但是你看不懂、否認?

“而“真正的拉提收縮”卻是下面這個,特別注意的從0:39~1:12和0:43跟0:55單張照片。”

Mogul Logic, Mogul Skiing Lesson on Extension with Chuck Martin - YouTube


你的“死辯”只是証明你“不懂”人体運動的生理,白痴。



“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。
:)
IS
兩个超級吹牛大師又開戰了。

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the Chinese posting in this thread really nothing more than pointless bitch-fights, :)
IS

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I think that what I said about how to absorb is true both in zipperlines and out of them.
It's even true if you are skiing groomed or trees and hit just one bump.

From pku: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .

No. I want to be very clear about this. The answer is No.

I have heard a lot of arguments about this kind of thing ever since I started
getting online. A lot of people try to say that it is harder to ski outside of a line
than in one, or that rounder turns are harder than turns made in a line. These
ideas are completely wrong. I had never heard anyone say these things until I
started getting online. The people who say these things are not very good skiers.
If they were good skiers, they would know that what they are saying is not true.
If they were truly good skiers, they would not think that skiing outside of a line
or making rounder turns is as difficult as they say it is. The fact that they
think it's so difficult to make round turns, or to ski outside of a line proves that
they lack skiing ability. They wouldn't say this if they had a lot of skiing ability.
I think that a lot of people that say these things are just trying to argue to
convince people that they are great skiers when they are not.

Whenever I teach a beginner mogul skier, they have usually learned to ski moguls
outside of a zipperline first before I start teaching them. I have to work with
them to get them to be able to ski in a line. Skiing outside of a line (which
involves rounder turns) is step one. Step two is skiing in a line.

The truth about this question is that in most cases if a skier is bad outside of a
line then that skier will probably also ski bad in one. But if a skier is bad in a line
it is possible that the skier could still ski good out of one (or with round turns in
the moguls). A skier that can ski good out of a line but not ski good in one is a
lot more common than a skier who is good in a line but not good out of one.
Therefore, skiing in a line is harder. I can ski with round turns out of lines or in
lines or whatever… the style I show in my videos is the most difficult and that is
why it is in my videos.


Skiing outside of a line and skiing with round turns in the moguls is kind of the
same thing. That is why I am explaining this in the way I am.

To be truly great in the moguls, you have to be able to make other kinds of turns well
outside of the moguls. The opposite is not true though. Olympic racers like Lindsay
Vonn do not need to be able to ski moguls well in order to be good racers. Usually
racers cannot ski bump lines.

If you look at the video you posted, several times in the video the skier stops
making round turns and starts skiing in the zipperline. When the skier does that
his skis do not stay on the snow. He is bouncing a lot. So his round turns are
better than his zipperline turns. He's also not very good at round turns though
because he can't even stay on the snow while he's making them. The guys are
usually not very smooth no matter what shape of turn they're making.

I think these guys are basically skiing the zipperline anyway... the round shape
of their turns is because they are on weird shaped, long moguls. These moguls
are really big and spread out. If I was on moguls that shape, my turns would
be longer and rounder too, because of the shape of the bumps.
Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube

From pku It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers )
I think most people don't want to learn to ski like those guys in the video above because
they don't like the way it looks as much as the freestyle way. I think less people
are doing it just because less people are interested in doing it that way. I am not sure if
there are a lot of people doing it the freestyle way, but I will say this... Machine-made
moguls should not count as moguls in my opinion. If you are talking about freestyle skiers
who ski machine-made moguls, I do not think that they are mogul skiers at all because
I think moguls cannot be machine-made if they are supposed to count as moguls.

--The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym.
Hi Blake:

Good clear answer.

One more questions for their.

How is your any feeling when you skiing on mogul fast down hill?

Are you easy tired of legs?

Or real relaxed and can ski on mogul very long way?

Or...?
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我附合了什麼,我早點講比較好,先講如何偷偷改偷偷學?是不是在後面的回答不就知了嗎?很多人會做也不一定真的清楚。要是我後回附和,那豈不是更讓你冠上偷偷改偷偷學囉,這才是小人行為吧。
“Blake講的拉吧跟我講的拉腳有哪裏不一樣?”?你從來“沒講過怎樣拉腳”而現在卻說“那裡不一樣?”你不是“附合”他所說?你從來“沒講過怎樣拉腳”,什麼又叫作“我早點講比較好”?等別人說了,你已經知道答案,你的“附合”不是“偷偷改偷偷學”?當然,你“老人痴呆”所以也不知道自己在做什麼。

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我只看到你還在死辯,我早就證明,我可以不用跳也不用蹲的拉提收縮了,你還要跳或是用蹲來做,那根本就不是拉提收縮。

blake:You should never jump onto moguls. The
motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt.
你是“說”你可以不用跳也不用蹲的,但是你不是在“做”“拉提”收縮,在你的線凸坡上你的雪被還撬個半天高已經“証明”你無法在黑線饅頭上做“拉提”收縮。

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我已說真正主力是腹肌,用背肌只會讓你彎腰蹲下去,真是越辯越知你的問題在哪了。
那是你小知小技見識‧有意肌肉(我們意識能控制的肌肉)只能收縮,所以你要彎腰用的是腹肌,你要蹲用的是小腿肌肉;下面影片是膝蓋的運動,很簡單,在家也可以做,就看你能不能仿做了‧

沈氏太極氣功:旋膝/knee exercise - YouTube



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你對肌肉的生理運用的邏輯能力真差,我再用拉吧的方式舉給你聽,背肌收縮會把大腿往後拉,胸肌收縮才會把大臂往前拉,拉吧時手在前面,所以是用胸側下肌收縮才能把手往下壓,而把手往下壓就要用到背側三角肌才能把手往上拉起來,但別忘了,手往下壓才是跟腿往上拉是一樣的意思,因為是往身體的中心收縮,
想來是你自己不懂人体運動的生理才會說我對肌肉的生理運用的邏輯能力真差,典型的“小人行為”‧以你說的動作,大腿是用小腹及臀部肌肉控制的,彎手肘是前大臂肌肉,伸直是後大臂的肌肉,抬手用肩膀,垂手肌肉不用力手就“自然”下垂‧你所說的動作“拙力太多”‧下面的影片是全身“關節”的運動,“很簡單,在家也可以做,就看你能不能仿做了‧”

沈氏太極氣功/Shen style Taichi Qi-Gong - YouTube



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所以blake也講了一句很重要的話:Your weight needs to be centered,你應該不能體會這是什麼意思的,無法做到不跳不蹲就能收縮的動作是不可能真正理解的。
你只會“附會”跟別人說的“說”,自己不能“做”,所以也不知道自己在“說”什麼‧以前也說過,你也不知道什麼是“中心”,什麼是“重心”。

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通篇回應看起來就像腦差成怒,回言就先連同他人貶低及罵人一下,嚇死人囉。
你是自己說自己‧我也不是“回言就先”,你的無賴(被說的團團轉)已經耍了三年了,我只是實話實說‧

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

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--The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym.
Yes, using the abdomen muscles is the correct "whole" body movement on moguls, however, abdomen muscles do not connect to the feet, so the questions remain open, how do you "pull up the feet," or "bring your knees up towards your chest"?

And do these photos look using the abdomen muscles to absorb, or "bring the knees up toward the chest" to you?





And do you think that this skier skis/absorbs like you?

收縮轉彎.mpg - YouTube



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“Blake講的拉吧跟我講的拉腳有哪裏不一樣?”?你從來“沒講過怎樣拉腳”而現在卻說“那裡不一樣?”你不是“附合”他所說?你從來“沒講過怎樣拉腳”,什麼又叫作“我早點講比較好”?等別人說了,你已經知道答案,你的“附合”不是“偷偷改偷偷學”?當然,你“老人痴呆”所以也不知道自己在做什麼。



你是“說”你可以不用跳也不用蹲的,但是你不是在“做”“拉提”收縮,在你的線凸坡上你的雪被還撬個半天高已經“証明”你無法在黑線饅頭上做“拉提”收縮。



那是你小知小技見識‧有意肌肉(我們意識能控制的肌肉)只能收縮,所以你要彎腰用的是腹肌,你要蹲用的是小腿肌肉;下面影片是膝蓋的運動,很簡單,在家也可以做,就看你能不能仿做了‧

沈氏太極氣功:旋膝/knee exercise - YouTube




想來是你自己不懂人体運動的生理才會說我對肌肉的生理運用的邏輯能力真差,典型的“小人行為”‧以你說的動作,大腿是用小腹及臀部肌肉控制的,彎手肘是前大臂肌肉,伸直是後大臂的肌肉,抬手用肩膀,垂手肌肉不用力手就“自然”下垂‧你所說的動作“拙力太多”‧下面的影片是全身“關節”的運動,“很簡單,在家也可以做,就看你能不能仿做了‧”

沈氏太極氣功/Shen style Taichi Qi-Gong - YouTube




你只會“附會”跟別人說的“說”,自己不能“做”,所以也不知道自己在“說”什麼‧以前也說過,你也不知道什麼是“中心”,什麼是“重心”。



你是自己說自己‧我也不是“回言就先”,你的無賴(被說的團團轉)已經耍了三年了,我只是實話實說‧

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

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我早問你那麼多遍了,你一直堅持用大腿肌肉來拉腳,我還提示了拉小臂用大臂肌肉,那由下往上推,當然是拉大腿由胸肌及背肌,同理拉動大腿就是由腹肌及後背腰肌囉,但我們講的是把雙腳往胸前上拉,而不是往後臀方向拉,這講那麼久,你腦筋還轉不過來,現在你在回blake說的「abdomen muscles do not connect to the feet,」,這又曝露你的知識問題了,我幫你貼一張肌肉組織圖,好讓你增加一下知識會比較好一點。

腹肌沒有連結到腳掌,但由我上述已說,所有的動作都是有關連的,腹肌拉抬大腿,大腿肌收縮彎曲小腿,小腿肌拉動腳掌,腳掌肌拉動腳趾。

最後講了半天,你再看我這張圖,我的大腿在這時是先被我的腹肌拉起來,但你不會做這動作,且不能明白什麼是Your weight needs to be centered的真正感覺意思是什麼(吸收跟這一句及拉提雙腳收縮的動作才是最大的關鍵所在),所以自然也不能理解我的雙腳看起來明明在前,什麼可能重心是在中心的,那真的不是你現在能理解的動作的囉。(別再鑽牛角尖問單一問題了,那不是真正問題核心所在。)

對了,沒有前後肌肉支撐對應,你的關結是不能活動的。



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我早問你那麼多遍了,你一直堅持用大腿肌肉來拉腳,我還提示了拉小臂用大臂肌肉,那由下往上推,當然是拉大腿由胸肌及背肌,
“由下往上推”不是“拉”,隨便你怎麼你動胸肌你也拉不到大腿,而拉小臂用大臂肌肉卻是我前面說的,你只是跟在後面“附會”的“偷偷學偷偷改”。

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同理拉動大腿就是由腹肌及後背腰肌囉,但我們講的是把雙腳往胸前上拉,而不是往後臀方向拉,這講那麼久,你腦筋還轉不過來,現在你在回blake說的「abdomen muscles do not connect to the feet,」,這又曝露你的知識問題了,我幫你貼一張肌肉組織圖,好讓你增加一下知識會比較好一點。
你不懂人体運動的生理,沒有“同理”這回事‧拉動大腿不需要用腹肌及後背肌,你的影片第一個人已經証明了,

收腳練習.wmv - YouTube



你會貼圖片,但是你不知道圖片在說什麼;那圖片正証明我所說,“abdomen muscles do not connect to the feet,”所以你貼的圖片正曝露你的小知識不知所以。

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腹肌沒有連結到腳掌,但由我上述已說,所有的動作都是有關連的,腹肌拉抬大腿,大腿肌收縮彎曲小腿,小腿肌拉動腳掌,腳掌肌拉動腳趾。
沒錯,但是這個說法跟你前面的說法,“所以你說拉提雙腳主要是用大腿肌,根本就是不可能的”,全然是兩碼事‧“你只是跟在後面“附會”的“偷偷學偷偷改””。

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最後講了半天,你再看我這張圖,我的大腿在這時是先被我的腹肌拉起來,但你不會做這動作,且不能明白什麼是Your weight needs to be centered的真正感覺意思是什麼,所以自然也不能理解我的雙腳看起來明明在前,什麼可能重心是在中心的,那真的不是你現在能理解的動作的囉。
笑話,那只是說你不懂人体運動的生理,也不懂物理,you don't know what "your weight needs to be centered" really means‧你不是用腹肌拉大腿,而是用你的腹肌固定你的重心,所以你能有個“支點”來用你的大腿肌肉,而是大腿肌肉(股直肌)的收縮“改變”你“骻骨關節”的角度,同時另外的大腿肌肉改變“膝蓋關節”的角度而達到拉提雙腳的目的‧你身体之所以可以運動是因為“關節”的活動,改變你身体的“形狀”,光是肌肉用力你是動不了的,那是“人体運動的生理”;另外,人体的“中心”在肚臍而“重心”在「丹田」,你無知也無法理解,那也是為什麼你的動作“拙力太多”的原因‧



你認為在這照片裡你 "bring the knees up toward the chest" 嗎?“「瞽盲不視」是真的”。



你會貼圖片並不表示你有知識,你的“拉提”知識也是一樣的,你就繼續做你的小知識吧!

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

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“由下往上推”不是“拉”,隨便你怎麼你動胸肌你也拉不到大腿,而拉小臂用大臂肌肉卻是我前面說的,你只是跟在後面“附會”的“偷偷學偷偷改”。



你不懂人体運動的生理,沒有“同理”這回事‧拉動大腿不需要用腹肌及後背肌,你的影片第一個人已經証明了,

收腳練習.wmv - YouTube


你會貼圖片,但是你不知道圖片在說什麼;那圖片正証明我所說,“abdomen muscles do not connect to the feet,”所以你貼的圖片正曝露你的小知識不知所以。



沒錯,但是這個說法跟你前面的說法,“所以你說拉提雙腳主要是用大腿肌,根本就是不可能的”,全然是兩碼事‧“你只是跟在後面“附會”的“偷偷學偷偷改””。



笑話,那只是說你不懂人体運動的生理,也不懂物理,you don't know what "your weight needs to be centered" really means‧你不是用腹肌拉大腿,而是用你的腹肌固定你的重心,所以你能有個“支點”來用你的大腿肌肉,而是大腿肌肉(股直肌)的收縮“改變”你“骻骨關節”的角度,同時另外的大腿肌肉改變“膝蓋關節”的角度而達到拉提雙腳的目的‧你身体之所以可以運動是因為“關節”的活動,改變你身体的“形狀”,光是肌肉用力你是動不了的,那是“人体運動的生理”;另外,人体的“中心”在肚臍而“重心”在「丹田」,你無知也無法理解,那也是為什麼你的動作“拙力太多”的原因‧



你認為在這照片裡你 "bring the knees up toward the chest" 嗎?“「瞽盲不視」是真的”。



你會貼圖片並不表示你有知識,你的“拉提”知識也是一樣的,你就繼續做你的小知識吧!

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

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看也知道打錯字,臂打成腿而已,挑錯字無法改變你的問題。不過你要由下往上推,你不先站好,你如何推得上去,站的時候多少就用到大腿肌力了,推時更要站挺雙腳,不然就軟腳推不上去囉。

影片中的第一段是躺坐著,這雙腳彎曲是由器材重量加壓使然,所以只要把肌肉適度放鬆就行了,但是滑饅頭你是不可能躺下來的,你只是想證明放鬆雙腳由饅頭推上來可以不用腹肌,但這是最下乘的方法,因為你即使放鬆了雙腳肌肉,你沒辦法達到Your weight needs to be centered的要求,只會隨著饅頭上上下下,快一點就有強烈的反震力出來了,就像你的影片滑法一樣,變成不是跳就是蹲的問題,因為站著放鬆肌肉就蹲下去了。

而我也早說了,拉雙腳除了雙腳不能離開雪面外,還必須保持穩定壓力,只要有跳跟蹲的動作,你的壓力就會產生較劇烈的變化了,那就更不可能達到Your weight needs to be centered的要求了。

所以你滑饅頭身體會上上下下的,這不是你現在的滑法能辦到的囉。

當然在影片中的第一段,你也可以不要用放鬆肌肉的方法,而是直接做收腳的練習,這樣你才能體會一下用什麼肌肉收腳,收腳時的壓力變化又跟放鬆肌肉的壓力變化就不一樣了。

Blake也有做非饅頭的大彎動作,從影片中就能看出他在變換轉彎時會做出極積極的拉起收腳來變換下個方向轉彎,這是很難的動作,你不會不蹲不跳的拉提雙腳,這動作是滑不出來的,相對的這動作使用腹肌力量是需要相當足夠的力量才拉得起雙腳,不然是不可能的啦,而你的所有滑雪動作都沒有這種拉提收腳的方法,我早講很久了,這動作不會就是還是不會,而這動作會了,滑饅頭超輕鬆超簡單的啦。
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看也知道打錯字,臂打成腿而已,挑錯字無法改變你的問題。不過你要由下往上推,你不先站好,你如何推得上去,站的時候多少就用到大腿肌力了,推時更要站挺雙腳,不然就軟腳推不上去囉。
“臂打成腿”可以說是你打錯字,但是“由下往上推”也是打錯字嗎?還是你“老人痴呆”思想混淆不清,還是把自已騙的推、拉不分?你現在又是在說“推”還是“拉”?推時也不需要站挺雙腳,顯然你也不會站馬步‧“死辯”是無法解決你的問題的,只是証明你小知小技‧

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影片中的第一段是躺坐著,這雙腳彎曲是由器材重量加壓使然,所以只要把肌肉適度放鬆就行了,但是滑饅頭你是不可能躺下來的,你只是想證明放鬆雙腳由饅頭推上來可以不用腹肌,但這是最下乘的方法,因為你即使放鬆了雙腳肌肉,你沒辦法達到Your weight needs to be centered的要求,只會隨著饅頭上上下下,快一點就有強烈的反震力出來了,就像你的影片滑法一樣,變成不是跳就是蹲的問題,因為站著放鬆肌肉就蹲下去了。

而我也早說了,拉雙腳除了雙腳不能離開雪面外,還必須保持穩定壓力,只要有跳跟蹲的動作,你的壓力就會產生較劇烈的變化了,那就更不可能達到Your weight needs to be centered的要求了。
你只會“說”,不會“看”〔影片〕,也不會“做”,才會編出這種“下乘”的故事‧高級的“跳”跟“蹲”的動作,雪板是可以不離開雪面的,所以沒有反震力,那才是“上乘”,

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: mogul - YouTube



已經給你看那麼多次了還看不出來,可見你是「瞽盲不視」,不要“死辯”,以前也問過你,你就用影片上的時間指出來我什麼時候雪板離地的‧反而是你的“拉提”沒有一個彎不是板頭撬個老高,

收縮轉彎.mpg - YouTube



什麼叫作“拉雙腳除了〔雪板〕不能離開雪面外,還必須保持穩定壓力”?你跟本就沒有能力控制你的雪板‧你不會“拉提”不說,在綠線上如此,在黑線上更是被震的滿天飛‧

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所以你滑饅頭身體會上上下下的,這不是你現在的滑法能辦到的囉。
也說過你不懂什麼是“Your weight needs to be centered”,所以你也不會看為什麼“身體會上上下下的”。

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當然在影片中的第一段,你也可以不要用放鬆肌肉的方法,而是直接做收腳的練習,這樣你才能體會一下用什麼肌肉收腳,收腳時的壓力變化又跟放鬆肌肉的壓力變化就不一樣了。

Blake也有做非饅頭的大彎動作,從影片中就能看出他在變換轉彎時會做出極積極的拉起收腳來變換下個方向轉彎,這是很難的動作,你不會不蹲不跳的拉提雙腳,這動作是滑不出來的,相對的這動作使用腹肌力量是需要相當足夠的力量才拉得起雙腳,不然是不可能的啦,而你的所有滑雪動作都沒有這種拉提收腳的方法,我早講很久了,這動作不會就是還是不會,而這動作會了,滑饅頭超輕鬆超簡單的啦。
Blah, blah, blah... 等你自己能做“拉提”雙腳,滑黑線饅頭再說吧!

上篇我把怎樣做“拉提”講了,你沒法回應,現在一字不敢提而「顧左右而言他」的“死辯”說人不會?你實在是很“不要臉”。

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

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“臂打成腿”可以說是你打錯字,但是“由下往上推”也是打錯字嗎?還是你“老人痴呆”思想混淆不清,還是把自已騙的推、拉不分?你現在又是在說“推”還是“拉”?推時也不需要站挺雙腳,顯然你也不會站馬步‧“死辯”是無法解決你的問題的,只是証明你小知小技‧

上篇我把怎樣做“拉提”講了,你沒法回應,現在一字不提而「顧左右而言他」?你實在很“不要臉”。



你只會“說”,不會“看”〔影片〕,也不會“做”,才會編出這種“下乘”的故事‧高級的“跳”跟“蹲”的動作,雪板是可以不離開雪面的,所以沒有反震力,那才是“上乘”,

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: mogul - YouTube


已經給你看那麼多次了還看不出來,可見你是「瞽盲不視」,不要“死辯”,以前也問過你,你就用影片上的時間指出來我什麼時候雪板離地的‧反而是你的“拉提”沒有一個彎不是板頭撬個老高,

收縮轉彎.mpg - YouTube


什麼叫作“拉雙腳除了〔雪板〕不能離開雪面外,還必須保持穩定壓力”?你跟本就沒有能力控制你的雪板‧你不會“拉提”不說,在綠線上如此,在黑線上更是被震的滿天飛‧



也說過你不懂什麼是“Your weight needs to be centered”,所以你也不會看為什麼“身體會上上下下的”。



Blah, blah, blah... 等你自己能做“拉提”雙腳,滑黑線饅頭再說吧!

“你可以繼續耍賴不認帳,但是把所有你的回言加起來,更証實你低級技術的小知小技—“小麻雀世界”的“無賴滑雪人”。

:)
IS
剛才我回頭從頭看我寫的原文一遍,原來我被你搞混了,「由下往上」不是指手的動作,而是我敘述前段時,的由手指→手掌→小臂→大臂→...等「由下往上推『理/論』」,只是少打一個字,但看全文也該知道我講什麼吧?就那「臂」打成「腿」的錯字而已,所以你抓這寫文錯字毛病讓你的眼界變小,對你的技術無所幫助。

你的動作就像下面這一段第一個人滑的動作差不多,他的雙腳也沒離開雪面,雖然你下得比他快了一點點,只是你比他熟練多了,你一年滑一兩百天比他熟練也是正常的,但這下饅頭的速度還是算慢的了。你還是要認清一下你不會真正的拉提收縮的事實吧。

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