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舊 2012-08-28, 11:16 AM   #21
pku
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[quote=Blake;18938]Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

Freestyle mogul skiing ( like how you skis on bumps ) concentrate on bump absorption. They absorb the bumps very good. But on the other hand, they don't edge.

If I watch your way of skiing the moguls, your feet are always under their upper body which make balance way more easy. If you watch those technical guys in the video, they need to extend their feet at least 2-3 feet away from their upper body to set their their edges and then steer their skis and get back their feet underneath them when they absorb. This is a much harder way to balance and require a lot more technique. Especially when they ski the zipper line, they can't control speed by really round out the turn but still need edge that much.

I got few Taiwan friends they self learn the freestyle way and they can ski the zipper line on the moguls like you. not as fast like you 10 years ago. I never saw any self learner can ski the zipper line like those guys in the video. Even the top CSIA L4 can't ski like those guys on the moguls. I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to thiose guys.

Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube


One more excellent mogul skiing video, the first guy, Bernd Greber, died in an avalanche around 12 years ago.

Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube


I am not alone, the following comment is a guy comment on You Tube on this video

Top Comments
First: For everybody saying that these guys are in the "back seat" and/or to "get forward"--you are incorrect. None of these guys are in the back seat. They are all centered and well balanced. When they hit the front side of the bump they flex ankle, knee and hip joints, and, yes, the hips go back. But when they extend down the backside of the bump the hips come right back up over the feet. This is fantastic bump skiing and prettier than comp bump skiing.
onemangarageband 2 years ago 8
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舊 2012-08-28, 11:28 AM   #22
pku
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Quote from Myself: It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I
am at in skiing. If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it
would take someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me
with less practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different
types of terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years
ago so that I could ski better terrain.


I wanted to add one thing to this... My wife has skied only four seasons, and now,
in several different types of snow conditions she does in fact ski like me, at the same
level. She gets a little nervous in front of the camera, so I am not sure if it's obvious in
my videos, but I see her ski as well as me pretty regularly. Sometimes it's on steep hard-
pack, or in crud, or on the groomed. She doesn't ski like me in the moguls yet, but maybe
someday she will.

She skis about 80 days each year on average. I taught her on most days that we skied
during her first 3 years, then last year a friend of mine taught her. She has improved
quickly because she's skied a lot and tried hard and had frequent instruction.
Your wife lean too much into the hill and that's why she can't keep her skis close together like you most of the time on most terrain. Of course skiing like that in 3-4 years is amazing.

According to Norman's standard, if he can ski 80 days a year for 3-4 years he should be able to ski like you. The progression of you and your wife are way too slow for him. That's the reason why we have all the arguments here. The difference between the reality and a day dream.
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舊 2012-08-28, 12:49 PM   #23
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舊 2012-08-28, 03:33 PM   #24
beg
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I think that what I said about how to absorb is true both in zipperlines and out of them.
It's even true if you are skiing groomed or trees and hit just one bump.

From pku: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .

No. I want to be very clear about this. The answer is No.

I have heard a lot of arguments about this kind of thing ever since I started
getting online. A lot of people try to say that it is harder to ski outside of a line
than in one, or that rounder turns are harder than turns made in a line. These
ideas are completely wrong. I had never heard anyone say these things until I
started getting online. The people who say these things are not very good skiers.
If they were good skiers, they would know that what they are saying is not true.
If they were truly good skiers, they would not think that skiing outside of a line
or making rounder turns is as difficult as they say it is. The fact that they
think it's so difficult to make round turns, or to ski outside of a line proves that
they lack skiing ability. They wouldn't say this if they had a lot of skiing ability.
I think that a lot of people that say these things are just trying to argue to
convince people that they are great skiers when they are not.

Whenever I teach a beginner mogul skier, they have usually learned to ski moguls
outside of a zipperline first before I start teaching them. I have to work with
them to get them to be able to ski in a line. Skiing outside of a line (which
involves rounder turns) is step one. Step two is skiing in a line.

The truth about this question is that in most cases if a skier is bad outside of a
line then that skier will probably also ski bad in one. But if a skier is bad in a line
it is possible that the skier could still ski good out of one (or with round turns in
the moguls). A skier that can ski good out of a line but not ski good in one is a
lot more common than a skier who is good in a line but not good out of one.
Therefore, skiing in a line is harder. I can ski with round turns out of lines or in
lines or whatever… the style I show in my videos is the most difficult and that is
why it is in my videos.

Skiing outside of a line and skiing with round turns in the moguls is kind of the
same thing. That is why I am explaining this in the way I am.

To be truly great in the moguls, you have to be able to make other kinds of turns well
outside of the moguls. The opposite is not true though. Olympic racers like Lindsay
Vonn do not need to be able to ski moguls well in order to be good racers. Usually
racers cannot ski bump lines.

If you look at the video you posted, several times in the video the skier stops
making round turns and starts skiing in the zipperline. When the skier does that
his skis do not stay on the snow. He is bouncing a lot. So his round turns are
better than his zipperline turns. He's also not very good at round turns though
because he can't even stay on the snow while he's making them. The guys are
usually not very smooth no matter what shape of turn they're making.

I think these guys are basically skiing the zipperline anyway... the round shape
of their turns is because they are on weird shaped, long moguls. These moguls
are really big and spread out. If I was on moguls that shape, my turns would
be longer and rounder too, because of the shape of the bumps.
Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube

From pku It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers )
I think most people don't want to learn to ski like those guys in the video above because
they don't like the way it looks as much as the freestyle way. I think less people
are doing it just because less people are interested in doing it that way. I am not sure if
there are a lot of people doing it the freestyle way, but I will say this... Machine-made
moguls should not count as moguls in my opinion. If you are talking about freestyle skiers
who ski machine-made moguls, I do not think that they are mogul skiers at all because
I think moguls cannot be machine-made if they are supposed to count as moguls.

--The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym.
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I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis. They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the Interski events) of Japan and Austria.
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Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

TaiChiSkiing, I really enjoy your videos. My wife and I
do standing meditation (qigong postures) pretty much daily. By the way, I broke my
pelvis too once 16 years ago. It was no fun.

On the other thread, there was a question about "how to" pull up your feet (involving
muscle groups etc)... I think it is good to not over-analyze in skiing. You just have to
know what a movement should look like and try to do it without thinking about it. I
think that that way usually gets better results than analyzing movements in depth.
It's like what they say in Star Wars: "Don't think... Feel".

I also have not missed the questions about how close Norman is to skiing like me, or
how long it should take him or whatever... I don't want to get dragged into an
argument (which is why I didn't answer these questions).... I like Norman : ) ....
But I will say this:It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I am at in skiing.
If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it would take
someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me with less
practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different types of
terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years ago
so that I could ski better terrain.

A few years ago I heard about a ski resort that was being built in Western China called
PingTian. What ever happened with that? Did it ever open? I heard it was supposed
to be really cool.

Here are answers to a couple other questions that were asked...

My mogul style is pretty tiring. I like putting in the extra effort, but I am usually
really out of breath after 20 or 30 turns or something. There are other styles that
are a lot less tiring. The "technical style" discussed above is less tiring. Absorbing
less deep or bouncing accross the tops of moguls like some of the world cup skiers
often do would also be a lot less tiring.

I usually view jumping onto a mogul as a failure of absorption. I pretty much never jump
onto one, but when I do, it would be for some crazy mogul that's as tall as my stomach is
high or something.
[quote=pku;18940]
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Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

Freestyle mogul skiing ( like how you skis on bumps ) concentrate on bump absorption. They absorb the bumps very good. But on the other hand, they don't edge.

If I watch your way of skiing the moguls, your feet are always under their upper body which make balance way more easy. If you watch those technical guys in the video, they need to extend their feet at least 2-3 feet away from their upper body to set their their edges and then steer their skis and get back their feet underneath them when they absorb. This is a much harder way to balance and require a lot more technique. Especially when they ski the zipper line, they can't control speed by really round out the turn but still need edge that much.

I got few Taiwan friends they self learn the freestyle way and they can ski the zipper line on the moguls like you. not as fast like you 10 years ago. I never saw any self learner can ski the zipper line like those guys in the video. Even the top CSIA L4 can't ski like those guys on the moguls. I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to thiose guys.

Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube

One more excellent mogul skiing video, the first guy, Bernd Greber, died in an avalanche around 12 years ago.

Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube

I am not alone, the following comment is a guy comment on You Tube on this video

Top Comments
First: For everybody saying that these guys are in the "back seat" and/or to "get forward"--you are incorrect. None of these guys are in the back seat. They are all centered and well balanced. When they hit the front side of the bump they flex ankle, knee and hip joints, and, yes, the hips go back. But when they extend down the backside of the bump the hips come right back up over the feet. This is fantastic bump skiing and prettier than comp bump skiing.
onemangarageband 2 years ago 8
Hi Blake,
Thanks for spending time to share your fun with us. Any kind of skiing style is hard for me and I'll be very happy if I can ski like you. It's hard to discuss the technique in words but it's no harm to try.

We all agree you are very strong skier but you just keep saying zipper line skiing is harder than round turn for you and everyone else you know by your experience. PKU has different opinions with some logical points (not ony personal experience).

When skiing round turn on edge, the centre of the body (COM) is away to the base of support. At some point COM and BOS are going to different direction. I think this is something require more technique to balance.

On the other hand the zipper line skier's upper and lower body is on one vertical line most of the time and it is not so complicated to balance. So I don't see why skiing round turn is easier than zipper line. Of course it's possible a smart person pick up faster on one kind like you.

此篇文章於 2012-08-28 03:41 PM 被 beg 編輯。
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舊 2012-08-28, 05:20 PM   #25
beg
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Thanks for the detailed explanations; they are well written and quite accurate. Maybe it is a good thing that you don't understand Chinese; the Chinese posting in this thread really nothing more than pointless bitch-fights, I was afraid that you might be leaving in disgust. Thanks for coming back.



:)
IS
Sometimes I agree with taichi, this is a good example of "nothing more than pointless bitch-fights" in chinese and it's all over the forum
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當你小知小人開始“吹毛求疪”的時後,我們都知道你的爭論已經輸到“焦頭爛額口不檡言的地步;早說過,“雪面上飛”/“雪上飛”是“全部”收縮/total absorption的高級技術,不是你小知小技可以理解的,說我“雙腳不平行”更是曝露你小知無知”而証實我所說“你不知道什麼是‘平行’”,所以也証實你不會看照片:一)看不見雪板“平行”雪面?所以跟你說了半天你“雪板外撬”你也不懂,二)膝蓋等高,小腿併攏?那是雪板“平行”的先決條件,三)右腳低左腳高?完全服合饅頭的地形,所以是“全部收縮”,你只是在“雞蛋裡找骨頭”,造成你「瞽盲不視」,你是看不懂我的滑雪的‧




“所以是你在繼續廢話連篇,明明已經沒話可說了,但是卻被你那“三寸不爛之舌牽到牛鼻一樣子不能自主“團團轉”的不能停,確實是很可悲可憐的事‧”

“你要在這論壇上表現你的小知識丟人現臉,請繼續。”

:)
IS

此篇文章於 2012-08-28 05:25 PM 被 beg 編輯。
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舊 2012-08-29, 06:42 AM   #26
Blake
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Quote from PKU: I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the
moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even
doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying
your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to
thiose guys.


This is why I have thought about making a video showing myself skiing in different
styles just to prove a point about this argument. This argument can go on forever.

Can you ski proficiently in both styles? Could you put a video up of yourself skiing as
well as me in my style and as well as the guys in your "technical style" video, in their
style? When you can ski in both styles, as well as me in my video, and as well as the
guys in your video, THEN you can argue with me.

You do not need to answer this question. I KNOW you cannot ski well in both styles.
The way I KNOW, is because if you could ski well in both styles then you would not
be arguing with me. You would know that what I am saying is true.

I told you I could make a video of myself skiing equally well in both styles, and I am
not a liar. I said it because it is true. I have not made that video simply because
when I make a video, I like to show my best skiing. I don't want to show myself
skiing the way in your video because I don't like the way it looks. I would not be
happy with myself if I looked like those guys and chose that style as my main style.
I see skiers skiing like that at my resort and I am not impressed. No good skiers that
I know are impressed by that kind of skiing. Most of the skiing world agrees with
me judging by the fact that gold medals in the olympics are won with zipperline skiing.

I have to wonder if you even watched my full videos. There are a lot of shots that
are not mogul shots. There are even a couple on the groomed. Putting a ski on edge
and making round turns is something I have been doing since I was a child. If I wasn't
able to ski like the guys in the "technical style" video I don't think that ANY shot in my
videos would be possible.

If you want to continue to be wrong, then keep believing what you're saying. If you
want to sound like you have NO idea what you are talking about in the sport of skiiing
then ignore what I am telling you.

Any person you have talked to that learned moguls in any form, that says that the round
turn way is harder must not be all that great at zipperline skiing.

I may make the video of myself skiing in different styles this winter, but I might not. One
reason why I might not is that I just don't care that much whether you or anyone like you
has the knowledge necessary to become a good skier. Why should I do you the favor of
proving what's true to you?
---I am already going through a lot of trouble to tell you the truth. It's not my fault if you
refuse to listen and continue to be wrong.
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舊 2012-08-29, 07:07 AM   #27
Blake
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I still think that the main difference between what those guys are doing, and the
zipperline style is just the shape of the moguls.

I am tired of talking about myself. Here is a video of mogul skiing that has some of my
friends in it. This is my only video that doesn't have any types of skiing other than
moguls in it. Mark Holley in this video is a really good skier. He can ski the
zipperline style really well and the "technical style" shown in your video is easier for him
too. When my brother is on alpine skis he also finds the "technical style" easier. He and
I are at about the same level on alpine skis. Aaron Peets in this video is another guy who
wouldn't have any trouble with the "technical style". Some of the other less skilled guys
might have some trouble with the "technical style", but that make sense because they also
have some trouble with the zipperline style.

Mogul Riot - YouTube

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舊 2012-08-29, 08:32 AM   #28
Blake
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Here is a video of me doing what I do for training coordination for skiing. It's a really
effective training method. If you get to where you can do what is shown in the video,
you WILL ski better.

Norman, if you are trying to get good at skiing quickly, I would
suggest spending your summers doing what I am doing in this video.

https://vimeo.com/39437430

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Quote from PKU: I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the
moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even
doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying
your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to
thiose guys.


This is why I have thought about making a video showing myself skiing in different
styles just to prove a point about this argument. This argument can go on forever.

Can you ski proficiently in both styles? Could you put a video up of yourself skiing as
well as me in my style and as well as the guys in your "technical style" video, in their
style? When you can ski in both styles, as well as me in my video, and as well as the
guys in your video, THEN you can argue with me.

You do not need to answer this question. I KNOW you cannot ski well in both styles.
The way I KNOW, is because if you could ski well in both styles then you would not
be arguing with me. You would know that what I am saying is true.

I told you I could make a video of myself skiing equally well in both styles, and I am
not a liar. I said it because it is true. I have not made that video simply because
when I make a video, I like to show my best skiing. I don't want to show myself
skiing the way in your video because I don't like the way it looks. I would not be
happy with myself if I looked like those guys and chose that style as my main style.
I see skiers skiing like that at my resort and I am not impressed. No good skiers that
I know are impressed by that kind of skiing. Most of the skiing world agrees with
me judging by the fact that gold medals in the olympics are won with zipperline skiing.

I have to wonder if you even watched my full videos. There are a lot of shots that
are not mogul shots. There are even a couple on the groomed. Putting a ski on edge
and making round turns is something I have been doing since I was a child. If I wasn't
able to ski like the guys in the "technical style" video I don't think that ANY shot in my
videos would be possible.

If you want to continue to be wrong, then keep believing what you're saying. If you
want to sound like you have NO idea what you are talking about in the sport of skiiing
then ignore what I am telling you.

Any person you have talked to that learned moguls in any form, that says that the round
turn way is harder must not be all that great at zipperline skiing.

I may make the video of myself skiing in different styles this winter, but I might not. One
reason why I might not is that I just don't care that much whether you or anyone like you
has the knowledge necessary to become a good skier. Why should I do you the favor of
proving what's true to you?
---I am already going through a lot of trouble to tell you the truth. It's not my fault if you
refuse to listen and continue to be wrong.
As I said before, you are quite a strong skier and you ski pretty fast on moguls. But right now you are comparing your skiing technique with the top Technical skiers in Japan and Austria. then it's a completely different story. Even Harald Hard also get inspired by those guys skiing but I don't think he'll get inspired by your skiing. You can put your skiing to the Epic to compare with those guys and see what other people said. The way you ski on the moguls is fast but in alpine skiing technique, it consider no performance at all. If you don't know what is performance skiing or technical skiing, you can ask the guy on Epic.

Also on your video you mark it technical terrain skiing. Your skiing show excellent bump absorption technique on moguls. Once you are off the moguls, you didn't ski as smooth and you can't control the pressure of you ski well and it doesn't look smooth enough. Your skis chatter quite a bit. The energy restore by edging the skis with speed is not as easy to handle as you think you can.

You don't really ski as good as you think when you are off the moguls because your edging and pressure control technique is not quite there. That's why I am sure that you can't ski like those guys.





Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube


Mogul Riot - YouTube


Super Slow Skiing - Mogul - YouTube


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Here is a video of me doing what I do for training coordination for skiing. It's a really
effective training method. If you get to where you can do what is shown in the video,
you WILL ski better.

Norman, if you are trying to get good at skiing quickly, I would
suggest spending your summers doing what I am doing in this video.

https://vimeo.com/39437430
Thank your good suggest.

Your way is real good training coordination for Reaction.

I can see and understand the training what is focal point.

A little hard to do but I will try to do it.

I think this way are best for telemark skiing too.
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As I said before, you are quite a strong skier and you ski pretty fast on moguls. But right now you are comparing your skiing technique with the top Technical skiers in Japan and Austria. then it's a completely different story. Even Harald Hard also get inspired by those guys skiing but I don't think he'll get inspired by your skiing. You can put your skiing to the Epic to compare with those guys and see what other people said. The way you ski on the moguls is fast but in alpine skiing technique, it consider no performance at all. If you don't know what is performance skiing or technical skiing, you can ask the guy on Epic.

Also on your video you mark it technical terrain skiing. Your skiing show excellent bump absorption technique on moguls. Once you are off the moguls, you didn't ski as smooth and you can't control the pressure of you ski well and it doesn't look smooth enough. Your skis chatter quite a bit. The energy restore by edging the skis with speed is not as easy to handle as you think you can.

You don't really ski as good as you think when you are off the moguls because your edging and pressure control technique is not quite there. That's why I am sure that you can't ski like those guys.





Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube

Mogul Riot - YouTube

Super Slow Skiing - Mogul - YouTube
I don't think so.

This is good position for skiing on this way.

And the way is real hard to do for more other people.



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I don't think so.

This is good position for skiing on this way.

And the way is real hard to do for more other people.



人家怎麼講也是高手,差小小的動作怎樣也比你好。不過他現在要跟 Richard Berger. Brend Greber 丸山貴雄那些超級高手比,便差天共地。
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PKU, that's all fine if you think that : ) I don't want to argue anymore. I read your
new post to my wife and we both got a good laugh out of it : ) ...especially when you
suggested I should ask the guys on epic. Epic PAYS me to write for them you know. I
just cashed a check from them yesterday.

They actually turned my original post on this thread into an article and payed me for it.
It's at the top of the list here: http://www.epicski.com/atype/6/Instruction

I am going to write more soon on non-mogul skiing. They pay me whenever I contribute.

No one that I ski with in person would suggest what you are saying.

My idea for technique outside of the moguls is to position myself in whatever way I feel
like I can get the most speed and power out of my turns. I don't think about anything else
and I don't want to think about anything else.

Anyway, that's all fine... end of argument : )

I'm glad you saw value in that training video Norman. It will really
make a difference for you.

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I wanted to add that when I say "technical terrain" on a video or whatever, all I mean by
that is, terrain that is not either groomed or powder.

Every year I try to film on a variety of terrain and snow conditions. Each year that means
something different. Like any skier, the way I look depends somewhat on what snow and
steepness I am skiing on etc.. Here are two videos that haven't been posted here that show
different snow and terrain from the other videos:


.




I hope that anyone who is judging my skiing from my videos is watching the whole videos and
not just the first few shots.

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人家怎麼講也是高手,差小小的動作怎樣也比你好。不過他現在要跟 Richard Berger. Brend Greber 丸山貴雄那些超級高手比,便差天共地。
比我好是正常的。

但你拿Brend Greber來比較,我相信他應該會蠻鬱悶的,因為那時的技術跟現在的技術又有差別了,早在許久之前paul已對我說過,可觀賞,但如果他能活到今天,滑法也將會有所改變。

現今的饅頭滑法也比較接近下面這段影片。

APSI Demo Team........ keep it tight - YouTube



至於Richard Berger跟丸山貴雄的滑法跟Blake是一樣的,只是日本的專人攝影技術拍得較漂亮而已,他們講了很多更多的壓邊是沒錯,但教一個入門的要學的人直接走直線,對很多人來講是不現實的,所以不如不講,這中間還是有一個過程的,所以讓你產生錯覺了。

丸山貴雄のスキースタイルevolution - YouTube


Śmig avalement na (w :-) ) muldach - Richard Berger - YouTube



饅頭及不整地最大的重點還是在收縮吸收上,如果無法收縮吸收,就算你練再多的壓邊方法,進步還是有限的。

對了,你覺得下面這個與Richard Berger是同一個人嗎?

Richi Berger, Bumps.MPG - YouTube

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PKU, that's all fine if you think that : ) I don't want to argue anymore. I read your
new post to my wife and we both got a good laugh out of it : ) ...especially when you
suggested I should ask the guys on epic. Epic PAYS me to write for them you know. I
just cashed a check from them yesterday.

They actually turned my original post on this thread into an article and payed me for it.
It's at the top of the list here: http://www.epicski.com/atype/6/Instruction

I am going to write more soon on non-mogul skiing. They pay me whenever I contribute.

No one that I ski with in person would suggest what you are saying.

My idea for technique outside of the moguls is to position myself in whatever way I feel
like I can get the most speed and power out of my turns. I don't think about anything else
and I don't want to think about anything else.

Anyway, that's all fine... end of argument : )

I'm glad you saw value in that training video Norman. It will really
make a difference for you.
You are an awesome free skier but not the technical type. Why would somebody ask you to switch to other type of skiing. As an Audience, I also love to watch your skiing. If you didn't say you can ski the technical way better than Richard Berger, Bernd Greber and Maruyama Takao ( champions of the technical skiing in Japan ) I'll just keep my mouth shut. Now I am more like defending my idols.

If you think you can beat those guys , you can just go for their competition. You can win the price money, become famous, plus get invited to film ski video and earn money. There got a competition every year for the strongest technical skier. There is not much point to say how good you are. You are a very good skier but not the best. To prove you are the best, the competition is on March next year. Go for it. There were some top Canadian skiers entered that competition before to challenge themselves. It's not pointless to give it a try.

These videos by Maruyama Takao sells for around US $60.00 and the Yen is getting stronger. You can become a ski super star there if you beat him in the competition.

丸山貴雄のスキースタイル3 transform - YouTube


丸山貴雄のスキースタイル4  「FORGE」~鍛える~  ティーザー - YouTube


丸山貴雄のスキースタイルevolution - YouTube


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人家練了幾十年才有這功力,你還早吧

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比我好是正常的。

但你拿Brend Greber來比較,我相信他應該會蠻鬱悶的,因為那時的技術跟現在的技術又有差別了,早在許久之前paul已對我說過,可觀賞,但如果他能活到今天,滑法也將會有所改變。

現今的饅頭滑法也比較接近下面這段影片。

APSI Demo Team........ keep it tight - YouTube


至於Richard Berger跟丸山貴雄的滑法跟Blake是一樣的,只是日本的專人攝影技術拍得較漂亮而已,他們講了很多更多的壓邊是沒錯,但教一個入門的要學的人直接走直線,對很多人來講是不現實的,所以不如不講,這中間還是有一個過程的,所以讓你產生錯覺了。

丸山貴雄のスキースタイルevolution - YouTube

Śmig avalement na (w :-) ) muldach - Richard Berger - YouTube


饅頭及不整地最大的重點還是在收縮吸收上,如果無法收縮吸收,就算你練再多的壓邊方法,進步還是有限的。

對了,你覺得下面這個與Richard Berger是同一個人嗎?

Richi Berger, Bumps.MPG - YouTube
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比我好是正常的。

但你拿Brend Greber來比較,我相信他應該會蠻鬱悶的,因為那時的技術跟現在的技術又有差別了,早在許久之前paul已對我說過,可觀賞,但如果他能活到今天,滑法也將會有所改變。

現今的饅頭滑法也比較接近下面這段影片。

APSI Demo Team........ keep it tight - YouTube


至於Richard Berger跟丸山貴雄的滑法跟Blake是一樣的,只是日本的專人攝影技術拍得較漂亮而已,他們講了很多更多的壓邊是沒錯,但教一個入門的要學的人直接走直線,對很多人來講是不現實的,所以不如不講,這中間還是有一個過程的,所以讓你產生錯覺了。

丸山貴雄のスキースタイルevolution - YouTube

Śmig avalement na (w :-) ) muldach - Richard Berger - YouTube


饅頭及不整地最大的重點還是在收縮吸收上,如果無法收縮吸收,就算你練再多的壓邊方法,進步還是有限的。

對了,你覺得下面這個與Richard Berger是同一個人嗎?

Richi Berger, Bumps.MPG - YouTube
這班澳洲仔滑得好好,既然你提及亞Paul ,不如你拿Blake Richard Berger 丸山貴雄的片請他品評一下
片那位 Ricci. 吾係好似,個人認為
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Quote from PKU: If you think you can beat those guys , you can just go for
their competition. You can win the price money, become famous, plus get invited to
film ski video and earn money. There got a competition every year for the strongest
technical skier. There is not much point to say how good you are. You are a very good
skier but not the best. To prove you are the best, the competition is on March next
year. Go for it. There were some top Canadian skiers entered that competition before
to challenge themselves. It's not pointless to give it a try.

These videos by Maruyama Takao sells for around US $60.00 and the Yen is getting
stronger. You can become a ski super star there if you beat him in the competition.


I appreciate you telling me about this. I find the idea pretty interesting. Most of the
plays on my youtube videos come from Japan, that's why I put Japanese symbols in
the titles. My video with 8,000 plays or whatever is especially getting played in Japan.
The opportunities to make money doing my type of skiing in the US is pretty much zero
because I'm not an acrobat. I have seen those "technical" competitions in Japan
on youtube for a while, but I didn't know they were a big deal over there. I don't
remember saying that that I could ski "better" than those guys in that style. I think I
can ski very similarly to them. Would the prize money be enough to pay for a trip to
Japan? It seems risky that I would lose money if I didn't succeed. I hear that Japan is
rediculously expensive to travel in and I am certainly not rich. I don't know if I could
afford it at all. We usually vacation in really cheap countries... like Nicaragua this year : )

If I make the video of me skiing in different styles, I will let you know. I am definitely
tired of this argument (which again I have seen many times before), so I might take
the time to do it this year.

Here is a video that has me and olympic mogul skier Chuck Martin in it. I have seen Chuck
ski in many styles.

Chuck is in the white at 0:41. I am at 1:03 (shot repeated in slow motion). Chuck is right
after that at 1:30, then lastly at 9:37.

Bumpapalooza 2010.mp4 - YouTube

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I appreciate you telling me about this. I find the idea pretty interesting. Most of the
plays on my youtube videos come from Japan, that's why I put Japanese symbols in
the titles. My video with 8,000 plays or whatever is especially getting played in Japan.
The opportunities to make money doing my type of skiing in the US is pretty much zero
because I'm not an acrobat. I have seen those "technical" competitions in Japan
on youtube for a while, but I didn't know they were a big deal over there. I don't
remember saying that that I could ski "better" than those guys in that style. I think I
can ski very similarly to them. Would the prize money be enough to pay for a trip to
Japan? It seems risky that I would lose money if I didn't succeed. I hear that Japan is
rediculously expensive to travel in and I am certainly not rich. I don't know if I could
afford it at all. We usually vacation in really cheap countries... like Nicaragua this year : )

If I make the video of me skiing in different styles, I will let you know. I am definitely
tired of this argument (which again I have seen many times before), so I might take
the time to do it this year.

Here is a video that has me and olympic mogul skier Chuck Martin in it. I have seen Chuck
ski in many styles.

Chuck is in the white at 0:41. I am at 1:03 (shot repeated in slow motion). Chuck is right
after that at 1:30, then lastly at 9:37.

Bumpapalooza 2010.mp4 - YouTube
Technical skiing Competition is a big event in Japan and usually held at Hakuba, the Olympic site I don't know how much is the price but top skiers from Canadan entered the competiotion before. The top guys in the competition will get invited to film video and of course they can earn money from there too.

I bought few video and they become my idols. The cost for skiing is there is around $200.00/day include hotel, breakfast and dinner in the hotel and lift tickets. Beef is expensive in Japan but Sushi is reasonable. I usually spent US$130.00per person per day in Tokyo ( include hotel, eating an transportation ) and $200.00 in the ski resort ( include hotel ski pass and eating )

If you need information about the resort Hakuba, just check this site out

http://www.japanspecialists.com/

I watch Chuck Martin in the Ski Logic video from youtube.
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