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註冊日期: 2012-05-21
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Hi everyone!
I noticed on my youtube statistics that my videos have been embedded here a few times so I thought I would stop by and say 'Hi'. Special thanks to Norman for setting up my account. I don't speak chinese so I don't know how much I can contribute here, but I am happy to post in English. I love travelling in Asia. My wife and I went to Thailand and Cambodia last year. I have a video of it on my youtube channel. Here are some of my videos, one or two of these have been posted on here already, if anyone has any questions about my technique I'll be happy to answer the best I can: 此篇文章於 2012-09-21 10:28 AM 被 Blake 編輯。 |
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註冊日期: 2009-02-07
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Hi Blake, Those are some great mogul skiing there; you do have some exciting techniques and skiing, and I'm really enjoying watching them. Thanks for stopping by, and welcome to our forum. Maybe I feed you in a bit what we here are all about; we here is a small forum for a few enthusiatic Chinese skiers, mainly originally from Taiwan and HongKong, most of them are lurkers, and only a few posters posting, so don't be disappointed if no body responds to you or asking questions, they may not know better [to ask questions] as well as they are shy. Nevertheless, we do have a few PSIA and CSIA certified instructors posting here, and they'll be able to converse with you in English as well, just give them sometime to warm up. As for me, I'm a Taichi skier, known on the 'net as "taichiskiing," though we ski differently, (though I used to ski nothing but moguls in my younger days, but I don't have my knees and your kind of vigorness anymore,) I'll be glad to converse with you with any skiing related subjects, as skiing is not just my passions but also my life; I'm living South Lake Tahoe, and ski at Heavenly mostly. Once again, thanks for stopping by, and welcome to our forum. :) IS |
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Hi Blake:
Great mogul skiing. ![]() I have two questions, please. 1. How do you use legs to Absorption on bumps or moguls? Are you first to Jump or hop than pull legs back? Or to squat than pull legs back? Or no Jump/hop/squat, only pull legs back on bumps or moguls? Or other way? 2. What is your opinion that only use thigh muscle can pull legs back or not only use thigh muscle? |
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註冊日期: 2012-05-21
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Norman asked in his post to explain my way of absorbing...
I have been translating this forum on google, it's not perfect, but I can basically understand everything. I'll start with a basic explanation and then add my own conclusions about absorption after the first paragraph. I wish we could have this translated by a professional translator or something. I've written the best explanation of absorption that I can, I just hope it won't be too hard to understand since I'm writing in English. The way to absorb moguls is to bring your knees up towards your chest as your feet hit them. On the uphill side of the moguls, your feet need to be slightly out in front of you so that your skis can point up the mogul then on the downhill side of the mogul your skis need to point down the mogul, which means your feet need to be curled back towards your butt as you straighten your legs. In between moguls your skis point level (parallel to the steepness of the ground under the moguls) and down the hill while your body is straight... and on top of the mogul your skis should reach a point where they are also level and parallel to the steepness of the ground under the moguls and your body is low, bent at the knees. --The motion of your legs will be like you're pedaling a bicycle backwards. If you keep your legs directly under you while you absorb, instead of doing a more circular motion like pedaling a bike, then what happens is that the resistance of the ski (the stiffness of it) knocks your weight back on the uphill side of the mogul (then possibly also forward on the downhill side). Your skis will also not stay on the snow if you don't point them up the fronts and down the backs of moguls, unless they are as flexible as a well cooked noodle. It's really important to bend at your knees and NOT at your hips. As your butt gets lower while you absorb, you should not bend the angle of your back forward any more than you have to. In other words, don't let your shoulders move forward any more than you have to. So how much do you have to? --The minimum amount necessary in order to not have your weight too far back. The lower you need to absorb, the farther forward the angle of your back will have to go in order to not have your weight too far back, but always move your back forward the minimum amount necessary. Absorb mainly with your knees. If you have the angle of your back more forward than it has to be, then you will not be able to absorb well. Your upper body will get in the way of the motion of your legs. Your weight needs to be centered, NOT forward like most people say. If you are forward, you will smack your ski tips and your feet into the moguls and you will not be balanced or smooth. You should also not be too far back with your weight. Being too far back or forward also messes up the angles of your body. You have to be centered. How low you need to absorb is determined by the size of the mogul. The amount your feet should be brought up should be equal to the size of the mogul. A lot of mogul skiers have their skis come off of the ground between moguls. This can happen for three reasons. Either the mogul skier is absorbing too slowly (he is bringing his feet up too slowly for the speed he is skiing at) or his timing is off, or he is not absorbing deep enough. The cause of this bouncing could also be all three reasons (bad timing, slow absorption and shallow absorption together). The faster you ski, the faster you will need to bring your feet up on the uphill sides of moguls and the faster you'll have to push them down on the downhill side in order to not come off the ground. It's best to stay on the ground so that you can be smoother. All mogul skiers try to stay on the ground, but it's not easy at high speeds. You should never jump onto moguls. The motion of your absorption should be more like pulling up your feet instead of squatting down or lowering your butt. Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats. At high speeds you pull your feet up and let the mogul pass under you. Your legs straighten when the mogul has passed and is no longer under you. At lower speeds it's a little more like lowering your butt, at higher speeds it's more like pulling your feet up. Try to hit the moguls as lightly as possible. Try to not make any noise when you hit them. Most skiers can't do it quietly, but it's good to try. Always do what feels natural and balanced, and keep your hands in front of you. Thanks to everyone for all the replies : ) I will be back to talk more when I have more time. I have been extremely busy lately. I actually wrote this post at work. |
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Thank your real very well point and explain your way of absorbing. ![]() I use green color point out some sentence. I hope you do not mind. |
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註冊日期: 2010-05-30
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You are a very good mogul skier. the way you ski the moguls is more like the freestyle way. It seems to me you have a freestyle moguls training background. When you ski off the moguls, you ski more rounder turn, not the freestyle short turn. Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) . It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers ) There are very few people can ski like the following people, please have patience to watch the whole video since some of them are still using straight skis especially the first guy. |
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註冊日期: 2009-02-07
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I think that zipper-line mogul technique is more technical as well as dynamic and elegant way to ski the moguls, but dynamic short turns are easier, thus less exhausting. 引用:
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滑雪瘋2級
註冊日期: 2012-05-21
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I think that what I said about how to absorb is true both in zipperlines and out of them.
It's even true if you are skiing groomed or trees and hit just one bump. From pku: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) . No. I want to be very clear about this. The answer is No. I have heard a lot of arguments about this kind of thing ever since I started getting online. A lot of people try to say that it is harder to ski outside of a line than in one, or that rounder turns are harder than turns made in a line. These ideas are completely wrong. I had never heard anyone say these things until I started getting online. The people who say these things are not very good skiers. If they were good skiers, they would know that what they are saying is not true. If they were truly good skiers, they would not think that skiing outside of a line or making rounder turns is as difficult as they say it is. The fact that they think it's so difficult to make round turns, or to ski outside of a line proves that they lack skiing ability. They wouldn't say this if they had a lot of skiing ability. I think that a lot of people that say these things are just trying to argue to convince people that they are great skiers when they are not. Whenever I teach a beginner mogul skier, they have usually learned to ski moguls outside of a zipperline first before I start teaching them. I have to work with them to get them to be able to ski in a line. Skiing outside of a line (which involves rounder turns) is step one. Step two is skiing in a line. The truth about this question is that in most cases if a skier is bad outside of a line then that skier will probably also ski bad in one. But if a skier is bad in a line it is possible that the skier could still ski good out of one (or with round turns in the moguls). A skier that can ski good out of a line but not ski good in one is a lot more common than a skier who is good in a line but not good out of one. Therefore, skiing in a line is harder. I can ski with round turns out of lines or in lines or whatever… the style I show in my videos is the most difficult and that is why it is in my videos. Skiing outside of a line and skiing with round turns in the moguls is kind of the same thing. That is why I am explaining this in the way I am. To be truly great in the moguls, you have to be able to make other kinds of turns well outside of the moguls. The opposite is not true though. Olympic racers like Lindsay Vonn do not need to be able to ski moguls well in order to be good racers. Usually racers cannot ski bump lines. If you look at the video you posted, several times in the video the skier stops making round turns and starts skiing in the zipperline. When the skier does that his skis do not stay on the snow. He is bouncing a lot. So his round turns are better than his zipperline turns. He's also not very good at round turns though because he can't even stay on the snow while he's making them. The guys are usually not very smooth no matter what shape of turn they're making. I think these guys are basically skiing the zipperline anyway... the round shape of their turns is because they are on weird shaped, long moguls. These moguls are really big and spread out. If I was on moguls that shape, my turns would be longer and rounder too, because of the shape of the bumps. From pku It seems to me there is more people skiing very good on the moguls using the freestyle way but very few people can ski the bumps well using the technical way ( earlier edge , round turn but fast close to the freestyle mogul skiers ) I think most people don't want to learn to ski like those guys in the video above because they don't like the way it looks as much as the freestyle way. I think less people are doing it just because less people are interested in doing it that way. I am not sure if there are a lot of people doing it the freestyle way, but I will say this... Machine-made moguls should not count as moguls in my opinion. If you are talking about freestyle skiers who ski machine-made moguls, I do not think that they are mogul skiers at all because I think moguls cannot be machine-made if they are supposed to count as moguls. --The way to pull up your feet in the moguls is to use your abdominals like the video of the guy with his feet hanging in the gym. |
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Good clear answer. ![]() One more questions for their. How is your any feeling when you skiing on mogul fast down hill? Are you easy tired of legs? Or real relaxed and can ski on mogul very long way? Or...? |
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滑雪瘋7級
註冊日期: 2009-02-07
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And do these photos look using the abdomen muscles to absorb, or "bring the knees up toward the chest" to you? ![]() ![]() And do you think that this skier skis/absorbs like you? :) IS |
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I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't make it clear enough. I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis. They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the Interski events) of Japan and Austria. |
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and the way they ski moguls are not any lesser than Blake's, and what Blake said "squatting down or lowering your butt" is not the same as your“不跳不蹲的收縮”/"no jumping no squatting absorption"; that's only your poor interpretations. What you've praised "straightlining down the mogul field", is not the same as Blake's "zipperline" mogul technique, Compare to yourself, your are not even touching the perimeter. Your are only plagiarizing. :) IS |
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另外,Blake的方法跟Bob的方法是有一些差別的,你分不清楚又把Bob的影片放進來說,沒看到我都懶得去你發的另一個新討論串跟你講了。 簡單的說,在我的方法,下面這2段,確實是符合不蹲不跳的拉提收縮,你只是希望從Blake說出確定的答案而已。 你有哪一個動作是不蹲不跳的收縮動作?說來你更像是抄襲Bob跟Blake的影片來說自己會這個動作。 |
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Bob's video is enough to prove that your "no jumping no squatting absorption" is not the "zipperline" mogul technique/"Avalement."
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Guess this clip only Blake can answer whether or not your way of ski like his zipperline technique. And no, that is not an "absorption" move, nor Blake's "bring your knees up toward your chest." Repeating your incomplete clips doesn't mean that it shows you know how to do "absorption," but only makes yourself a joke. :) IS Ps. I'm writing this in English only so that Blake may read it (I thought it is the purpose why the admin01 separating this thread from the original for), so he is aware of what's going on here, if he bothers to return. |
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"Imagine hanging from your arms on a pull-up bar and pulling your knees up, instead of doing squats." Although you've talked extensively about "La-Ti"/"pull-up the feet" but you've never really understand what it is meant, so you cannot do it, and so is your interpretation "no jumping no squatting absorption"—wrong, and you continue to use this failed argument won't take you and your skiing skills anywhere but prove yourself an idiot who doesn't know when and how to concede that you have long lost your arguments, and that's where you "can't learn, and cannot progress" comes from. You are only plagiarizing Blake's words to boast yourself, and only make a joke out of yourself. :) IS |
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註冊日期: 2012-05-21
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Hi guys,
I want to apologize for my dissapearance. I just got distracted by other things for a while and forgot all about posting. Because of all the time that I missed, I am going to need a little time to catch up on these topics here, so give me a couple days to look at these threads before I write a response or two. I'll talk to you guys soon. |
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Take feel free. And all good any thing to you. Thank your reply. ![]() |
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Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) . Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't make it clear enough. I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis. They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the Interski events) of Japan and Austria. I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question, even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line). Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again... It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any thought or effort into my skiing ever again. On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or something. TaiChiSkiing, I really enjoy your videos. My wife and I do standing meditation (qigong postures) pretty much daily. By the way, I broke my pelvis too once 16 years ago. It was no fun. On the other thread, there was a question about "how to" pull up your feet (involving muscle groups etc)... I think it is good to not over-analyze in skiing. You just have to know what a movement should look like and try to do it without thinking about it. I think that that way usually gets better results than analyzing movements in depth. It's like what they say in Star Wars: "Don't think... Feel". I also have not missed the questions about how close Norman is to skiing like me, or how long it should take him or whatever... I don't want to get dragged into an argument (which is why I didn't answer these questions).... I like Norman : ) .... But I will say this:It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I am at in skiing. If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it would take someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me with less practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different types of terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years ago so that I could ski better terrain. A few years ago I heard about a ski resort that was being built in Western China called PingTian. What ever happened with that? Did it ever open? I heard it was supposed to be really cool. Here are answers to a couple other questions that were asked... My mogul style is pretty tiring. I like putting in the extra effort, but I am usually really out of breath after 20 or 30 turns or something. There are other styles that are a lot less tiring. The "technical style" discussed above is less tiring. Absorbing less deep or bouncing accross the tops of moguls like some of the world cup skiers often do would also be a lot less tiring. I usually view jumping onto a mogul as a failure of absorption. I pretty much never jump onto one, but when I do, it would be for some crazy mogul that's as tall as my stomach is high or something. 此篇文章於 2012-08-27 10:47 AM 被 Blake 編輯。 |
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滑雪瘋2級
註冊日期: 2012-05-21
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Quote from Myself: It took me 28 years of skiing to get me to the level I
am at in skiing. If someone else can do it faster, that is great. I can't say how long it would take someone else. Everyone is different. If anyone wants to try to ski like me with less practice than me, I say let them try. I think that having access to different types of terrain would be really important though. I moved to a different state 13 years ago so that I could ski better terrain. I wanted to add one thing to this... My wife has skied only four seasons, and now, in several different types of snow conditions she does in fact ski like me, at the same level. She gets a little nervous in front of the camera, so I am not sure if it's obvious in my videos, but I see her ski as well as me pretty regularly. Sometimes it's on steep hard- pack, or in crud, or on the groomed. She doesn't ski like me in the moguls yet, but maybe someday she will. She skis about 80 days each year on average. I taught her on most days that we skied during her first 3 years, then last year a friend of mine taught her. She has improved quickly because she's skied a lot and tried hard and had frequent instruction. 此篇文章於 2012-08-28 05:36 AM 被 Blake 編輯。 |
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