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舊 2012-08-28, 11:16 AM   #25
pku
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預設 回覆: Blake's mogul skiing

[quote=Blake;18938]Quote from PKU: Don't you think it's harder to ski rounder turn on the
moguls with more edging ( engage the edge earlier ) .


Quote from PKU: I think you misunderstand my question or I didn't
make it clear enough.

I am asking about the way of skiing, not the line of one chooses. As you said, some
of the guys in the video still ski the zipper line. The main difference between you
and them is they are always trying to be on edges and you are always on flat skis.
They are skiing on arcs but you are more of a straight lines

The way those guys ski on the video is consider the technical way and they current
and former demonstrators ( members in their country's demo team to attend the
Interski events) of Japan and Austria.


I don't think I misunderstood your question, but I guess I made my answer more
complicated than it had to be. I was talking about things related to your question,
even if it wasn't a direct answer (the shape of your turns relate to your line).
Anyway, sorry about that, let me try it again...

It is NOT more difficult to make rounder turns with more edging in the moguls. I
can ski with both styles in the moguls, so I am answering with experience. I have
thought about making a video of like ten different mogul styles just to try to make
a point about this kind of thing, but I haven't made it yet because I think it'd be a
little silly to make an entire video of different styles just to prove a point for this
online argument (I have encountered this argument online many times before). The round
turns shown in the video that you posted are in my opinion how an intermediate
mogul skier would ski moguls. The PSIA (and other people) like to call this "technical
skiing" to make it sound cool, but really it's just because they can't ski any better
than that. That style is easier than skiing well in my style. If I switched to skiing
that style, skiing would become WAY easier for me. I would never have to put any
thought or effort into my skiing ever again.

On a related note though, for some skiers it might be eaiser to ski badly in my style
than to ski well in the "technical" style... Assuming a skier is working on skiing well
in both styles, my style is harder to ski well in. I know because I have experience
with both. The so called "technical" style is way easier. I ski with that style
sometimes when there are a lot of rocks in the moguls that I want to avoid or
something.

Freestyle mogul skiing ( like how you skis on bumps ) concentrate on bump absorption. They absorb the bumps very good. But on the other hand, they don't edge.

If I watch your way of skiing the moguls, your feet are always under their upper body which make balance way more easy. If you watch those technical guys in the video, they need to extend their feet at least 2-3 feet away from their upper body to set their their edges and then steer their skis and get back their feet underneath them when they absorb. This is a much harder way to balance and require a lot more technique. Especially when they ski the zipper line, they can't control speed by really round out the turn but still need edge that much.

I got few Taiwan friends they self learn the freestyle way and they can ski the zipper line on the moguls like you. not as fast like you 10 years ago. I never saw any self learner can ski the zipper line like those guys in the video. Even the top CSIA L4 can't ski like those guys on the moguls. I am pretty sure you cannot ski like them on the moguls although you show great bump absorption in your moguls skiing video. I even doubt if you can ski like them on the groomed. Don't get me wrong that I am saying your skiing is not good. You are really a strong strong skier but not to the level to thiose guys.

Technical Bumps Moguls Skiing - YouTube


One more excellent mogul skiing video, the first guy, Bernd Greber, died in an avalanche around 12 years ago.

Austrian Mogul Skiing - YouTube


I am not alone, the following comment is a guy comment on You Tube on this video

Top Comments
First: For everybody saying that these guys are in the "back seat" and/or to "get forward"--you are incorrect. None of these guys are in the back seat. They are all centered and well balanced. When they hit the front side of the bump they flex ankle, knee and hip joints, and, yes, the hips go back. But when they extend down the backside of the bump the hips come right back up over the feet. This is fantastic bump skiing and prettier than comp bump skiing.
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