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舊 2011-04-07, 10:00 PM   #1
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Don't fight! Don't fight!

Why don't we stop discussing who skies better or who does not?

Why don't we start finding out what consists of the good skiing?

IMHO, based on what I learned, good skiing needs to demonstrate 5 elements:
1. Good balance
2. Good edging control
3. Good rotary movement
4. Good pressure control
5. Good directional movement

Please add what you can think of to the list. (Only after we define what the good skiing is, we can compare who is good and who is not!)
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舊 2011-04-08, 01:20 AM   #2
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Don't fight! Don't fight!

Why don't we stop discussing who skies better or who does not?

Why don't we start finding out what consists of the good skiing?

IMHO, based on what I learned, good skiing needs to demonstrate 5 elements:
1. Good balance
2. Good edging control
3. Good rotary movement
4. Good pressure control
5. Good directional movement

Please add what you can think of to the list. (Only after we define what the good skiing is, we can compare who is good and who is not!)

For me, racing is not the type I want. I like more on the demonstration way of skiing ( demo team )

My idot are like Richard Berger ( Austrian demo team ) , Norman Kreutz ( CSIA ), and a lot of Japanese high level skier.

Especially Richard Berger, he ski fast, and dynamic with good control and look elegant.

Their skiing are blending all the skills you post with the right amount on almost all situation.
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舊 2011-04-08, 01:30 AM   #3
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For me, racing is not the type I want. I like more on the demonstration way of skiing ( demo team )

My idot are like Richard Berger ( Austrian demo team ) , Norman Kreutz ( CSIA ), and a lot of Japanese high level skier.

Especially Richard Berger, he ski fast, and dynamic with good control and look elegant.

Their skiing are blending all the skills you post with the right amount on almost all situation.
Yes, I remember that the Coordination is one of your CSIA's good skiing elements. Can you add more elements that you may think that are important.
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舊 2011-04-08, 09:13 AM   #4
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我提出我個人的進步要訣重點,依重要排序:

1. 了解什麼是平衡。
2. 了解基本動作的運作。
3. 了解什麼是適時時機動作(對的timing)。
4. 了解適時適當的肌肉協調的運用。
5. 提高自己的滑雪知識。
6. 大膽突破,多方嚐試。

最後就是裝備雪況是死的,人是活的。好的技術應該可以讓自己滑得優雅輕鬆,比賽技術不一定能滑得優雅輕鬆,但也是好的技術,所以我在下面再依順序排一下。

1. 好的平衡。
2. 好的控制。
3. 好的時機。
4. 好的節奏。
5. 好的判斷應變能力。

大致這樣吧。再多就是要說,有個好的教練可以讓自己省時省力一點。
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舊 2011-04-08, 09:50 AM   #5
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我提出我個人的進步要訣重點,依重要排序:

1. 了解什麼是平衡。
2. 了解基本動作的運作。
3. 了解什麼是適時時機動作(對的timing)。
4. 了解適時適當的肌肉協調的運用。
5. 提高自己的滑雪知識。
6. 大膽突破,多方嚐試。

最後就是裝備雪況是死的,人是活的。好的技術應該可以讓自己滑得優雅輕鬆,比賽技術不一定能滑得優雅輕鬆,但也是好的技術,所以我在下面再依順序排一下。

1. 好的平衡。
2. 好的控制。
3. 好的時機。
4. 好的節奏。
5. 好的判斷應變能力。

大致這樣吧。再多就是要說,有個好的教練可以讓自己省時省力一點。
講的好,

大膽突破,多方嚐試, that means one need to ski a lot , can't just sit at home and talk
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舊 2011-04-08, 01:57 PM   #6
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我的「大膽突破,多方嚐試。」的原義是。

當發現自己進步很小,甚至幾乎沒進步時,就需要突破自己原來舊有的思維,找尋多方向及方法嚐。

最可怕的是自己的思想固化,無法納新及創造。
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舊 2011-04-08, 03:38 PM   #7
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我的「大膽突破,多方嚐試。」的原義是。

當發現自己進步很小,甚至幾乎沒進步時,就需要突破自己原來舊有的思維,找尋多方向及方法嚐。

最可怕的是自己的思想固化,無法納新及創造。
妳的伴侶的雪杖朝天應是大膽突破、妳試試看吧、妳自己進步很小只因顧着吹牛。
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舊 2011-04-09, 12:34 AM   #8
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我的「大膽突破,多方嚐試。」的原義是。

當發現自己進步很小,甚至幾乎沒進步時,就需要突破自己原來舊有的思維,找尋多方向及方法嚐。

最可怕的是自己的思想固化,無法納新及創造。
Before the 大膽突破, one must have a sound fundamental skill.

Like the 2011 Korean demo team is trying to put their martial art into their skiing. Since those demonstrator got very sound fundamental skill so the outcome is still strong skiing.

But some low level skier try to 大膽突破, the outcome is just a joke. e.g. 雪杖朝天
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舊 2011-04-09, 11:39 AM   #9
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Some good skiing by Korean,I like this kind of technical skiing

Dynamiic Short Turns, carving, steering

YouTube - 드림스키어's 스키 에세이...11 : The Dynamic Duo

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舊 2011-04-09, 11:05 PM   #10
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Some good skiing by Korean,I like this kind of technical skiing

Dynamiic Short Turns, carving, steering
YouTube - 드림스키어's 스키 에세이...11 : The Dynamic Duo



"You are talking about 'turns,' and I'm talking about 'maneuverability.' See if they can keep up with us,"

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: powder skiing trees, Maggie's Canyon, middle traverse, Heavenly



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舊 2011-04-10, 04:10 AM   #11
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Some good skiing by Korean,I like this kind of technical skiing

Dynamiic Short Turns, carving, steering
影片中看起來明顯後坐,然後前彎上半身來保持平衡,比不上這個 ...

YouTube - Dynamic Skiing



跟這個也有差 ...

YouTube - APSI Demonstration Skiing Dynamic Short Turns

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舊 2011-04-10, 05:00 AM   #12
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YouTube - 드림스키어's 스키 에세이...11 : The Dynamic Duo


"You are talking about 'turns,' and I'm talking about 'maneuverability.' See if they can keep up with us,"

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: powder skiing trees, Maggie's Canyon, middle traverse, Heavenly


:)
IS
對、”雪杖朝天”ー出、誰乳爭鋒。
YouTube - Monoskiing

YouTube - 드림스키어's 스키 에세이...11 : The Dynamic Duo

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舊 2011-04-10, 07:06 PM   #13
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影片中看起來明顯後坐,然後前彎上半身來保持平衡,比不上這個 ...

跟這個也有差 ...
You have got to be kidding ! I guess that is too high a level of skiing for you to understand
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舊 2011-04-11, 12:35 AM   #14
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You have got to be kidding ! I guess that is too high a level of skiing for you to understand
我滑不出來,不表示我看不懂。

我也貼了兩段影片,跟韓國的那段影片比一下,我想知道你的看法 ....
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舊 2011-04-11, 06:06 AM   #15
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我滑不出來,不表示我看不懂。

我也貼了兩段影片,跟韓國的那段影片比一下,我想知道你的看法 ....
Sorry, my wording was a bit harsh.

Look at these 2 montages of WC skiers. They all look like sitting back.
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舊 2011-04-11, 10:28 AM   #16
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Sorry, my wording was a bit harsh.

Look at these 2 montages of WC skiers. They all look like sitting back.
For intermediate skier took some lesson by some lower level instructor , it's very easy to confuse what is sitting back as they were told to be more forward.

A good stance is like sitting on a invisible chair or simpley said doing a squat. A sit back stance is hanging on the calve of the boots.

A sit back stance can't turn the skis that fast since the front of the skis is not engaged. The Korean guys turn so fast and well control their turns, it is impossible for them to sit back, may be occasionally one or two turns.
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舊 2011-04-11, 01:08 PM   #17
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我也貼了兩段影片,跟韓國的那段影片比一下
You are able to find out the answer if study the techniques for transition.

此篇文章於 2011-04-11 01:22 PM 被 PSBoy 編輯。
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舊 2011-04-11, 07:58 PM   #18
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A sit back stance can't turn the skis that fast since the front of the skis is not engaged. The Korean guys turn so fast and well control their turns, it is impossible for them to sit back, may be occasionally one or two turns.
韓國人的後坐姿勢靠前彎上半身調回來了!

這也是個方法啦!
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舊 2011-04-11, 08:01 PM   #19
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Sorry, my wording was a bit harsh.

Look at these 2 montages of WC skiers. They all look like sitting back.
那為什麼 XSIA 不教這種滑法?
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舊 2011-04-11, 08:07 PM   #20
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You are able to find out the answer if study the techniques for transition.
這 techniques 是 for racer 的,還是某 XSIA 的?
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