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舊 2014-03-30, 02:52 AM   #2
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I am watching these two video clips now.
The first one is in Korean, while the second one Japanese. They both are very different from PSIA style. Are you comparing Korean style with Japanse one?

BTW, the Korean style reminds me Dereck's skiing style ...
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舊 2014-03-30, 03:09 AM   #3
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I am watching these two video clips now.
The first one is in Korean, while the second one Japanese. They both are very different from PSIA style. Are you comparing Korean style with Japanse one?

BTW, the Korean style reminds me Dereck's skiing style ...

Language is in Korean but skier, Sato Hisaya is a 2 times Technical Champion in Japan (around 2006-2007 ) . I think the Korean translate to Korean language. He started joining the competition around late 90s but he is not on the top List anymore.

The old guys still on the top are Kashiwagi Yoshiyuki 柏木義之( top 3 this year ) Yamada Takuya 山田卓也( may be around top 10 this year, no sure )

Japanese technical skiing is very strong. They are competitors while the demo team members in North America, CSIA , PSIA are teaching professionals only.

The level in Japan are very high while Korean Try to imitate them but the terrains on Korea is much worse than in Japan. Almost all of the top technical skier in Japan and Korea ogt racing background. Some are even former National Team member. That's one of the reason they can ski so fast.

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舊 2014-03-30, 03:19 AM   #4
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Oh, yes, that's why I got confused! I saw some Japanese adverstisement in the end of the first movie. I was confused and did not know that it was actually a Japanese video.

They ski so fast and are in super good control. That makes me think if it would be a good idea to learn from those racers instead of our teaching systems.


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Language is in Korean but skier, Sato Hisaya is a 2 times Technical Champion in Japan (around 2006-2007 ) . I think the Korean translate to Korean language. He started joining the competition around late 90s but he is not on the top List anymore.

The old guys still on the top are Kashiwagi Yoshiyuki ( top 3 this year ) Yamada Takuya ( may be around top 10 this year, no sure )

Japanese technical skiing is very strong. They are competitors while the demo team members in North America, CSIA , PSIA are teaching professionals only.

The level in Japan are very high while Korean Try to imitate them but the terrains on Korea is much worse than in Japan. Almost all of the top technical skier in Japan and Korea ogt racing background. Some are even former National Team member. That's one of the reason they can ski so fast.
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舊 2014-03-30, 03:24 AM   #5
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I had a misconception that learning racing on groomed run is mutually exclusive from learning bump skiing. Another thing after watching these videos, now those top Japanese skiers prove that I was wrong because they can do very good on groomed run racing and also bump skiing.


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Language is in Korean but skier, Sato Hisaya is a 2 times Technical Champion in Japan (around 2006-2007 ) . I think the Korean translate to Korean language. He started joining the competition around late 90s but he is not on the top List anymore.

The old guys still on the top are Kashiwagi Yoshiyuki 柏木義之( top 3 this year ) Yamada Takuya 山田卓也( may be around top 10 this year, no sure )

Japanese technical skiing is very strong. They are competitors while the demo team members in North America, CSIA , PSIA are teaching professionals only.

The level in Japan are very high while Korean Try to imitate them but the terrains on Korea is much worse than in Japan. Almost all of the top technical skier in Japan and Korea ogt racing background. Some are even former National Team member. That's one of the reason they can ski so fast.
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舊 2014-03-30, 03:48 AM   #6
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I had a misconception that learning racing on groomed run is mutually exclusive from learning bump skiing. Another thing after watching these videos, now those top Japanese skiers prove that I was wrong because they can do very good on groomed run racing and also bump skiing.
Usually racers do not ski bump well but they have sound skiing technique. They get use to speed while we normal people scare speed and get tensed up which will affect our coordination.

In Japan, racers got no future since they can't compete with white guys. If they get in these kind of competition, they become well know and can earn a better living than a racer. Once they try to change, they usually can be the top force since they don't afraid of speed.

I scared of speed so I can only ski fast on green runs like Norman. When I skied with Joshe Foster at Big White while he's carving and I try to carve to keep up with him on a steep blue run (28 degree ) , I was scared to death and need to slip to control.
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舊 2014-03-31, 11:37 PM   #7
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I talked to my mentor and some trainer last weekend about the mogul skiing. To my surprise, they don't see mogul skiing is of much difference from skiing on groomed runs. They explained to me that skiing on groomed runs is of 2-dimensional, while skiing on bumps is of 3-dimensional. The addition is the absorption to deal with the third dimension.

An interesting quote from the lastest SKI Magazine, Michael Rogan quotes an ancient proverb: "It's not that you can't ski bumps. It's that you can't ski, and the bumps prove it."

That tells me that a good skier should be able to ski on any terrain in any condition. ... So my goal for next season will be focusing on bumps!


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Usually racers do not ski bump well but they have sound skiing technique. They get use to speed while we normal people scare speed and get tensed up which will affect our coordination.

In Japan, racers got no future since they can't compete with white guys. If they get in these kind of competition, they become well know and can earn a better living than a racer. Once they try to change, they usually can be the top force since they don't afraid of speed.

I scared of speed so I can only ski fast on green runs like Norman. When I skied with Joshe Foster at Big White while he's carving and I try to carve to keep up with him on a steep blue run (28 degree ) , I was scared to death and need to slip to control.
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舊 2014-04-01, 09:10 AM   #8
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I talked to my mentor and some trainer last weekend about the mogul skiing. To my surprise, they don't see mogul skiing is of much difference from skiing on groomed runs. They explained to me that skiing on groomed runs is of 2-dimensional, while skiing on bumps is of 3-dimensional. The addition is the absorption to deal with the third dimension.

An interesting quote from the lastest SKI Magazine, Michael Rogan quotes an ancient proverb: "It's not that you can't ski bumps. It's that you can't ski, and the bumps prove it."

That tells me that a good skier should be able to ski on any terrain in any condition. ... So my goal for next season will be focusing on bumps!
I totally agree with your trainers. The way I ski the bumps is pretty similar to the way I ski the groom, just less performance. I need to pivot more to start the turn and edge slightly later than what I did on the groom. Of course I can't turn on the bumps as fast as I did on the groom.
Recently, I can take the zipper line down on the gentle bumps slopes. My turning on those bumps is a bit faster than before.

I think what Michael Rogan said is half correct. Racers can't ski bumps well at the beginning since their skiing is too much performance. They need to adapt a little. If they are willing to change slightly, they can ski bumps very good.
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