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舊 2011-03-17, 11:32 AM   #1
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預設 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

我在想只要腳有力的都會, 是不特別. 但我想應該有其他原因吧.

各位大師, 請回歸到 technical discussion. 不要人身攻擊
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舊 2011-03-17, 11:50 AM   #2
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here is csia level 2 asking for ma. I m not good enough to offer help but I can see a super wedge and super backseat. is that all due to wedge? wedge exit or wedge entry?
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舊 2011-03-17, 12:22 PM   #3
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開口閉口大師,還有誰敢回答
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舊 2011-03-17, 12:27 PM   #4
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開口閉口大師,還有誰敢回答
在這板的大師就等於香港話的[師兄], 一個稱呼.
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舊 2011-03-17, 01:48 PM   #5
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There are too many situation that one can show a wedge in one's skiing:

Turning the one ski earlier or more than the other ski.

Balance forward and ski tail sliding out.

Of course, for beginner using a wedge to hold the speed down.

Even Canada demo team member show some wedge sometimes.

A good high intermediate skier or may be a low advance skier may pass CSIA level 2 ( not much bump or steep skiing at all )

but CSIA level 3 ( be able to ski bumps quite well and ski with much performance ) is a big jump so the passing rate decrease a lot from level 2 to level 3.

Wedge is a very useful method of skiing especially on narrow path that one need to slow down. Just not too nice looking and efficiency is not good.
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舊 2011-03-17, 02:40 PM   #6
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There are too many situation that one can show a wedge in one's skiing:
The trouble here is all nearer and visible turns are wedge turns. I wonder weather it's a core skill in CSIA. This guy is aiming for L3 already. And a respected member said:

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Skidude72[/b]]
Hi Danny,


Good skiing, you are well on your way to your L3.
So I think this guy is at least level 2.5 and is making wedge turns all the way.


here is the thread:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3
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舊 2011-03-17, 08:44 PM   #7
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The trouble here is all nearer and visible turns are wedge turns. I wonder weather it's a core skill in CSIA. This guy is aiming for L3 already. And a respected member said:


So I think this guy is at least level 2.5 and is making wedge turns all the way.


here is the thread:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3
He is not making wedge just the tail of his skis slide away at the end but his turns are smooth and round. ( turns not perfect )

YouTube - Dan Short Radius 7.MPG

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舊 2011-03-17, 11:41 PM   #8
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He fixed it in the latest video. I think he is using a different technique for balance/weight transfer.

YouTube - Dan Short Radius 9.MPG

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舊 2011-03-18, 12:04 AM   #9
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The trouble here is all nearer and visible turns are wedge turns. I wonder weather it's a core skill in CSIA. This guy is aiming for L3 already. And a respected member said:


So I think this guy is at least level 2.5 and is making wedge turns all the way.


here is the thread:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3
You are too smart to post that if you want to have a real technical discussion.
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舊 2011-03-18, 12:14 AM   #10
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You are too smart to post that if you want to have a real technical discussion.
I like your posts :-)

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舊 2011-03-18, 12:26 AM   #11
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I read the posts now I got some detail so I don't think video #1 is the default way he ski. This will provide some context

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Hi Everyone.

Im currently in training for the CSIA 3, which I hope to pass end of this season. Iv been working on a few things, but main feedback is based on aft balance relating to flex and extension. Im usually quite heavy on the front of my boots, so when I come to flex to allow my COM to come back to my BOS, Iv little option but to bend my knees alot.

Here Im trying to keep my ancle extended - on the gas pedel feeling the back of my boot. Im rounding my back more than usual with arms further forward to try and keep in balance fore-aft.

Any MA would be great.

Thankyou!
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Danny,



You are bending your knees and extending your ankles. You've definitely fixed your problem of being heavy on the front of the boots. You have fixed it most impressively. Too impressively. Although I've recently seen a world cup slalom race where the racers had a lot of forward lean above the waist, this is a bit too much. You probably need to get your ankle flex to go to half way between where you were and where you are now. That will reduce your bend at the waist and get more of your mass centered between the bindings.



What's up with the double pole touch on the left turns?
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舊 2011-03-18, 10:32 AM   #12
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我在想只要腳有力的都會, 是不特別. 但我想應該有其他原因吧.

各位大師, 請回歸到 technical discussion. 不要人身攻擊
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here is csia level 2 asking for ma. I m not good enough to offer help but I can see a super wedge and super backseat. is that all due to wedge? wedge exit or wedge entry?
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叫人大師己是人身攻擊,真想討論wedge何不拿自己的片來評,妳只是在撩是非,all mountain skier except mogul 大師,妳的朋友低太極還好嗎?
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舊 2011-03-18, 10:42 AM   #13
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He fixed it in the latest video. I think he is using a different technique for balance/weight transfer.

YouTube - Dan Short Radius 9.MPG
Its a big improvement. I didn't read whe advises given and this video but the one posted for MA. I beleive he got some very enlightening instruction since the very first.
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舊 2011-03-18, 02:14 PM   #14
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ams, do you ever wonder why there isn't a single person over epic comments on his "wedge"? Worth some thought too.
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舊 2011-03-18, 03:44 PM   #15
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here is csia level 2 asking for ma. I m not good enough to offer help but I can see a super wedge and super backseat. is that all due to wedge? wedge exit or wedge entry?
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The trouble here is all nearer and visible turns are wedge turns. I wonder weather it's a core skill in CSIA. This guy is aiming for L3 already. And a respected member said:


So I think this guy is at least level 2.5 and is making wedge turns all the way.


here is the thread:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3
Don't understand why you learn Taichi and Norman style, picky on someone sking 10 times better than you.
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舊 2011-03-20, 01:19 PM   #16
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quote=ams;11484]no money to ski in whistler in the sense not worth it. I ll go new zealand this july welcome to join me. and i always available in window of the world. [/quote]
Sure, let's bet us$10,000. We both put $5'000 deposit. Loser pay the ticket, let' do it.
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In window of the world all peoples know you are the carving king there, for sure I'll lose
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舊 2011-03-20, 02:26 PM   #17
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在這板的大師就等於香港話的[師兄], 一個稱呼.
Are you learning kung-fu from our master? Otherwise you should not call us 師兄.

"Wedge" is just another technique, it has its purpose. In fact, not many people can do a proper wedge turn. Quite a lot of people cannot do a proper wedge turn so they said it is useless. It is simple if you do not like it, then just use another technique.

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舊 2011-03-21, 05:32 AM   #18
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ams, do you ever wonder why there isn't a single person over epic comments on his "wedge"? Worth some thought too.
B2L2 has a very good point.

Everyone pointing at Dan's MA with a slight wedge at times is "barking up the wrong tree"

I bet most did not read through the thread:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3

which is very technical and with quite some arguments. Wedge is a "non-issue"
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舊 2011-03-21, 09:09 AM   #19
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quote=ams;11484]no money to ski in whistler in the sense not worth it. I ll go new zealand this july welcome to join me. and i always available in window of the world.
Sure, let's bet us$10,000. We both put $5'000 deposit. Loser pay the ticket, let' do it.
All mountain skier except mogul大師
In window of the world all peoples know you are the carving king there, for sure I'll lose
.[/quote]
好笑的 all mountaim skier except mogul 大師,wedge 仔還在等妳的PK 回覆,不要學太極又要認屎認屁又要縮啊
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舊 2011-03-21, 10:05 PM   #20
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B2L2 has a very good point.

Everyone pointing at Dan's MA with a slight wedge at times is "barking up the wrong tree"

I bet most did not read through the thread:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...m-a-for-csia-3

which is very technical and with quite some arguments. Wedge is a "non-issue"
You've got that right. I rate good wedge skiing as a good foundation for skiing; slow but stable, wedge is a very good technique for the beginners to learn skiing on, however, the same advantage turns into intermediate skiers' "bottle neck," and becomes 小知小人的 "holy grail" for bashing on the net. Why it is a non-issue? You only need one ski to turn, so, if the outside ski/dominated ski has proper turning force on it, and the inside ski has no interfering force to prevend it turns, the turn will turn well, even with a wedge stance. So, skiing with wedge is not a technical problem, but appearance one, it doesn't look good. Nevertheless, that's only little knowledge's mentality, and real skiers enjoy the skiing with it,

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