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舊 2017-02-07, 11:41 PM   #61
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Skiing is s sport about speed. Skiing less time means fast. I don.t have video more than 5 mins. That means I ski much faster than you.


No, that’s only your small domain, so is your knowledge, observation. At higher level skiing, good skiing is not about “speed” but “balance.” Speed, to be able to ski fast, is only a by-product of a good balance.

Taichiskiing Heavenly: the last train to heavenly - YouTube



And no, “ski less time” means you don’t have the energy to finish what you set out to do; you have to stop, because that you either physical weak, or waste too much energy in your maneuvers—拙力太多—cannot continue, not because you ski fast.

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The video you show below is a very short run. snow condiyion is so nice but your wife ski more than 10 mins. that's very slow. I can finish it within 7 mins for sure
Ellie’s is one of Heavenly longest black “trail,” given the videos you showed, you probably need to take longer and more breaks than her, no, I don’t think you can ski that trail in seven minutes. And upper sky expressline is even tougher, as it is steep, narrow, rocky and trees, you may not be able to ski that “comfortably,” speed won’t help you there.

Whitecrane Skiing: Sky Express line and woods, Heavenly - YouTube





Whitecrane Skiing: Upper [sky] Expressline to Ellie’s, Heavenly on a powder day - YouTube

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舊 2017-02-08, 07:13 AM   #62
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你不懂我在笑什麼,跟影片如何沒任何一點關係啦。
想來也是,連你自己都不知道別人怎麼會知道?
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舊 2017-02-08, 07:17 AM   #63
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你還知道稱號是假的,那你那麼在意一直提,為何?
所以大家知道你是“假”人?

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那就要問你囉,為何沒頭的蒼蠅能飛?及為何要在我開的討論串飛來飛去?我真的不知道你想要幹什麼。
蒼蠅能飛,但是沒有思想,只能亂飛,我練劍道時常拿它來作目標來練習‧不過,無頭蒼蠅還蠻能飛的,難打,只好繼續練習,我也倒是成功了好几次‧我來這滑雪論壇是來談滑雪的內容,你在那亂飛些什麼?
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No, that’s only your small domain, so is your knowledge, observation. At higher level skiing, good skiing is not about “speed” but “balance.” Speed, to be able to ski fast, is only a by-product of a good balance.

Taichiskiing Heavenly: the last train to heavenly - YouTube


And no, “ski less time” means you don’t have the energy to finish what you set out to do; you have to stop, because that you either physical weak, or waste too much energy in your maneuvers—拙力太多—cannot continue, not because you ski fast.



Ellie’s is one of Heavenly longest black “trail,” given the videos you showed, you probably need to take longer and more breaks than her, no, I don’t think you can ski that trail in seven minutes. And upper sky expressline is even tougher, as it is steep, narrow, rocky and trees, you may not be able to ski that “comfortably,” speed won’t help you there.

Whitecrane Skiing: Sky Express line and woods, Heavenly - YouTube

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Whitecrane Skiing: Upper [sky] Expressline to Ellie’s, Heavenly on a powder day - YouTube
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I kind of agree fast is the result of good balance

If you cannot ski fast. Does it mean that your balance is not good enough, or even bad

Good skiing is subjective. You call your skiing good but for me is bad. Not much point to argue

Speed is objective. Whoever take less time to ski a distance, India faster

Your wife always need to stop. As a skier skiing there almost everyday for so many years, one should know the terrain really well. If one still need to stop that long, for sure there is something wrong of her skiing

You said I need to ski that Black run using more time than your wife. Once I ski there with much less time, that means your knowledge about skiing is totally wrong because you don't know how good my balance is, how fast I can ski. Do you agree?

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想來也是,連你自己都不知道別人怎麼會知道?
你看,多好笑的一句話呀,你知道你這句話為何很好笑嗎?
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所以大家知道你是“假”人?
你到底是在意「稱號」?還是在意我是「真人」還是「假人」?能不能先想清楚再說呢?

如果是在意「稱號」,你也想要一個個人的稱號,你就說呀?

現在又反問我是不是假人,那你當我是假人好了,你平常會跟假人聊天嗎?那就別理我就好啦,何必跟我這個假人聊天呢?


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蒼蠅能飛,但是沒有思想,只能亂飛,我練劍道時常拿它來作目標來練習‧不過,無頭蒼蠅還蠻能飛的,難打,只好繼續練習,我也倒是成功了好几次‧我來這滑雪論壇是來談滑雪的內容,你在那亂飛些什麼?
你練劍的時候專跑到人家家裏練嗎?我開這討論串歌功頌德Josh Foster,在這一討論串空間亂飛的稱讚Josh Foster好,不行嗎?人家在廁所大便喊燒,你也要衝進來喊燒嗎?你可以去請別人或自己幫你開個歌功頌德你自己的討論串,應該也沒人會無聊去打蒼蠅吧?

所以你要談滑雪內容的留言,在這討論串你針對我們幹嘛,你應該針對Josh Foster吧,如果對他的技術有很大的不滿,你可以上他的網站去跟他爭個高下也行,不然跟他一起滑拍個打敗Josh Foster的影片也行呀,我們技術不好才要討論,你平常會沒事走進商店亂打人嗎?還是討論滑雪時就會亂噴口水?另開個討論串說你的滑雪很神,換個地方吧?
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舊 2017-02-09, 06:06 AM   #67
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I kind of agree fast is the result of good balance

If you cannot ski fast. Does it mean that your balance is good enough
No, I thought once you admit you’re wrong you may learn something, apparaently, you may not. You are still “倒果為因”; if the balance is “good enough,” it must be fast.

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Good skiing is subjective. You call your skiing good but for me is bad. Not much point to argue
You got that right. I too see you skiing, machenical, “ugly and slow.”

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Speed is objective. Whoever take less time to ski a distance, India faster
That remains your narrow understanding of [skiing] speed, you are talking about an “average” speed, nevertheless, do you know how fast you ski at the any given time? Without a speedometer, how do you know you ski faster or slow, especially in or near whiteout conditions?

TaichiSkiing/Flatboarding: Wedeln powder skiing - YouTube



Fast or slow to us “free skiers” only meaningful is to compare with its surrounding.

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Your wife always need to stop. As a skier skiing there almost everyday for so many years, one should know the terrain really well. If one still need to stop that long, for sure there is something wrong of her skiing
Not really, she is an amateur recreational skier; all she has to do to ski is to “entertaining herself” to her delight, she doesn’t have to ski the way you described, and your self-proclaimed macho image doesn’t fit her, and she skied beautifully,

Whitecrane Flatboarding: dynamic short turns, long turns, and turn on demand - YouTube



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You said I need to ski that Black run using more time than your wife. Once I ski there with much less time, that means your knowledge about skiing is totally wrong because you don't know how good my balance is, how fast I can ski. Do you agree?
That is a BIG “once,” yup, if you can keep up with us, I’ll agree that you can ski.

Whitecrane Skiing: Canyon Expressline woods, Heavenly - YouTube



When do you think that would happen?
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你看,多好笑的一句話呀,你知道你這句話為何很好笑嗎?
最多不過小知的無知的獃笑。
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你到底是在意「稱號」?還是在意我是「真人」還是「假人」?能不能先想清楚再說呢?
中文裡的“真人”是指修道高深的人,“假人”通常是指石像或是木偶,而你的“假”卻是被証明的是“虛假”‧人家的“假人”是外形,你的“虛假”卻是內在的。

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如果是在意「稱號」,你也想要一個個人的稱號,你就說呀?
“打狗棒”說起來還蠻順口的。

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現在又反問我是不是假人,那你當我是假人好了,你平常會跟假人聊天嗎?那就別理我就好啦,何必跟我這個假人聊天呢?
不跟你聊天,我們怎麼發現你是“假”人?

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你練劍的時候專跑到人家家裏練嗎?我開這討論串歌功頌德Josh Foster,在這一討論串空間亂飛的稱讚Josh Foster好,不行嗎?人家在廁所大便喊燒,你也要衝進來喊燒嗎?你可以去請別人或自己幫你開個歌功頌德你自己的討論串,應該也沒人會無聊去打蒼蠅吧?
我前面已經問過,“你影片看不懂,英文又不會,你想討論些什麼?” 你還沒有回答,我想你是在這盜用Josh Foster的影片來“咕名釣譽”,像是蒼蠅亂飛的樣子。

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所以你要談滑雪內容的留言,在這討論串你針對我們幹嘛,你應該針對Josh Foster吧,如果對他的技術有很大的不滿,你可以上他的網站去跟他爭個高下也行,不然跟他一起滑拍個打敗Josh Foster的影片也行呀,我們技術不好才要討論,你平常會沒事走進商店亂打人嗎?還是討論滑雪時就會亂噴口水?另開個討論串說你的滑雪很神,換個地方吧?
我也沒有對他的技術不滿,而是你們弱慢族盜用他的說法來彪榜自己滑雪好是問題,大家需要知道你不能解釋也不能做用”turn shape”來控制速度、方向和滑雪‧我砸黑店的故事還多呢。
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最多不過小知的無知的獃笑。
好,那就是小知的無知的獃笑,也是你說過讓我覺得好笑的話,其實你還沒解釋,怎麼叫「花越長的時間就是滑得很快。」?說說看你到底想表達什麼?
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中文裡的“真人”是指修道高深的人,“假人”通常是指石像或是木偶,而你的“假”卻是被証明的是“虛假”‧人家的“假人”是外形,你的“虛假”卻是內在的。



“打狗棒”說起來還蠻順口的。



不跟你聊天,我們怎麼發現你是“假”人?



我前面已經問過,“你影片看不懂,英文又不會,你想討論些什麼?” 你還沒有回答,我想你是在這盜用Josh Foster的影片來“咕名釣譽”,像是蒼蠅亂飛的樣子。



我也沒有對他的技術不滿,而是你們弱慢族盜用他的說法來彪榜自己滑雪好是問題,大家需要知道你不能解釋也不能做用”turn shape”來控制速度、方向和滑雪‧我砸黑店的故事還多呢。
好,我是假人,原來你喜歡跟假人聊天。

你確定你的稱號要叫「打狗棒」了嗎?那只不過是一根棒子而已,不考慮一下霸氣的「太極掃雪仙人」?仙人不當要當一個棒子?

能滑出胖C彎,本身就是「turn shape」的控制速度表現了,不懂的人是滑不出胖C彎的,這是簡單的道理,不用講,想知道就用學,學會滑出胖C彎自然就懂了。
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No, I thought once you admit you’re wrong you may learn something, apparaently, you may not. You are still “倒果為因”; if the balance is “good enough,” it must be fast.
If you admit your skiing is bad 30-40 years ago and start to learn the proper way, you should be a very owesome skier. Now you are a joke everywhere

If balance is good enough, it must be fast but how come you ski so slow.

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You got that right. I too see you skiing, machenical, “ugly and slow.”
Even mecjenical, there is nothing wrong. Skiing like you is really a joke. You turns your wife a joke.

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That remains your narrow understanding of [skiing] speed, you are talking about an “average” speed, nevertheless, do you know how fast you ski at the any given time? Without a speedometer, how do you know you ski faster or slow, especially in or near whiteout conditions?
Then why you said I cannot catch up with you. Without competing head to head, how can you know who is faster. The logic you use never apply on others like it apply on you.

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Fast or slow to us “free skiers” only meaningful is to compare with its surrounding.
Fast only apply on you, not others. See how you ski, always traverse, always slow down to check lines. How can that be fast.



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Not really, she is an amateur recreational skier; all she has to do to ski is to “entertaining herself” to her delight, she doesn’t have to ski the way you described, and your self-proclaimed macho image doesn’t fit her, and she skied beautifully,

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You can always said your wife is beautiful and you ski good. Just nobody agree


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That is a BIG “once,” yup, if you can keep up with us, I’ll agree that you can ski.

Whitecrane Skiing: Canyon Expressline woods, Heavenly - YouTube
Lets bet $500.00 and see who is faster on Gunbarrel and another $500.00 on Upper SKi Expressline to Ellie's with your wife head to head.
Do you dare?


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When do you think that would happen?
For sure it'll happen if you show up when I am there. Just you don't have the guts. When I am there, you'll make excuse that you don't accept gapper challenge.

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好,那就是小知的無知的獃笑,也是你說過讓我覺得好笑的話,其實你還沒解釋,怎麼叫「花越長的時間就是滑得很快。」?說說看你到底想表達什麼?
我沒說過那句話,那只是你小知小人的幻想,所以你的笑是“小知的無知的獃笑”。
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好,我是假人,原來你喜歡跟假人聊天。
對,小知小人都喜歡自己低劣的素質,於人不同,可以自我得意‧沒有事實,跟假人聊天是很無聊的事,(我想lelo最進也發現這個道理,)只說真話,我喜歡竭穿假人的底細。

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你確定你的稱號要叫「打狗棒」了嗎?那只不過是一根棒子而已,不考慮一下霸氣的「太極掃雪仙人」?仙人不當要當一個棒子?
惡狗只會仗人勢亂叫,打狗棒好用。

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能滑出胖C彎,本身就是「turn shape」的控制速度表現了,不懂的人是滑不出胖C彎的,這是簡單的道理,不用講,想知道就用學,學會滑出胖C彎自然就懂了。
顯然你是不懂“turn shape ”,也不是真懂“胖C彎”‧ 真的“胖C彎”/純刻只有一個弧度,那只是一個“turn shape ”,你怎樣用“胖C彎”(那是假設你會/能滑“胖C彎/純刻,而我們都知道結果)控制整條滑線的速度和方向?你“懂的”是“假”的。
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If you admit your skiing is bad 30-40 years ago and start to learn the proper way, you should be a very owesome skier. Now you are a joke everywhere
I am already an “owesome skier,”

Taichi Skiing: powder bump tree skiing - YouTube



and you cannot do what i do, it is your permanent shameless denial a joke everywhere.

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If balance is good enough, it must be fast but how come you ski so slow.
Or I ski so fast it has permanently blinded your eyesight?

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Even mecjenical, there is nothing wrong. Skiing like you is really a joke. You turns your wife a joke.
“It is your permanent shameless denial a joke everywhere.”

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Then why you said I cannot catch up with you. Without competing head to head, how can you know who is faster. The logic you use never apply on others like it apply on you.
You got that right, “Without competing head to head, how can you know who is faster,” how do you know I am slower than you? “The logic you use never apply on others like it apply on you”?Keep saying we ski slow is your shameless slanders.

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Fast only apply on you, not others. See how you ski, always traverse, always slow down to check lines. How can that be fast.
No. I don’t think that you even see the clip, there is no traverse,

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You can always said your wife is beautiful and you ski good. Just nobody agree
You can always deny, but “It is your permanent shameless denial a joke everywhere.”

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Lets bet $500.00 and see who is faster on Gunbarrel and another $500.00 on Upper SKi Expressline to Ellie's with your wife head to head.
Do you dare?
Funny joke! Sure, if you dare to show up. For my wife, her specialty is on the trails,

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do you dare?

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For sure it'll happen if you show up when I am there. Just you don't have the guts. When I am there, you'll make excuse that you don't accept gapper challenge.
That is a thousand-dollar“if,” when you show up we can talk about it, you have already made the excuse not to show up once, yup, if there is a joke, you are the joke.
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我沒說過那句話,那只是你小知小人的幻想,所以你的笑是“小知的無知的獃笑”。
你沒這樣實些說這句話,但幾段話拼下來的意思就差不多是這樣,引起我的笑點,因為你一下說你滑很快,一下又說時間長也是一種證明,合起來不就是「滑得時間很長,但速度很快。」,所以你也常常讓我搞不懂你在說什麼。
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對,小知小人都喜歡自己低劣的素質,於人不同,可以自我得意‧沒有事實,跟假人聊天是很無聊的事,(我想lelo最進也發現這個道理,)只說真話,我喜歡竭穿假人的底細。
你們這些不知情的人,你要是跟lelo實際一起滑個一兩天,你就知道我是為他好,尤其是近幾年,很明顯他跟我一起滑沒摔傷過,但只要他自己一個人去滑,他摔傷的機率高達20%,這是以平均天數去算。

你繼續讚他好了,反正他摔傷了,與你我無關?

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惡狗只會仗人勢亂叫,打狗棒好用。
那我問問看,要是能改,別再對我的稱號碎碎唸了,因為一點意義都沒有。

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顯然你是不懂“turn shape ”,也不是真懂“胖C彎”‧ 真的“胖C彎”/純刻只有一個弧度,那只是一個“turn shape ”,你怎樣用“胖C彎”(那是假設你會/能滑“胖C彎/純刻,而我們都知道結果)控制整條滑線的速度和方向?你“懂的”是“假”的。
我覺得我的胖C彎滑得還蠻漂亮的呀,你看下面這個彎幾乎沒噴雪花,完全就走在線上,還很明顯出現一個槱準的「C」字,不算瘦長,但也有些微胖,這本身就是「turn shape」的控制速度表現了。

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你們這些不知情的人,你要是跟lelo實際一起滑個一兩天,你就知道我是為他好,尤其是近幾年,很明顯他跟我一起滑沒摔傷過,但只要他自己一個人去滑,他摔傷的機率高達20%,這是以平均天數去算。
我滑雪才沒摔傷過!上次斷手是因為滑直排輪,這次斷掌骨是因為練賽格威獨輪車。

只有這次去白馬拉傷右肩而已。

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我覺得我的胖C彎滑得還蠻漂亮的呀,你看下面這個彎幾乎沒噴雪花,完全就走在線上,還很明顯出現一個槱準的「C」字,不算瘦長,但也有些微胖,這本身就是「turn shape」的控制速度表現了。
我認為沒噴雪花,是因為你沒用到鋼邊。
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我滑雪才沒摔傷過!上次斷手是因為滑直排輪,這次斷掌骨是因為練賽格威獨輪車。

只有這次去白馬拉傷右肩而已。
不止吧,我指的是這五年來。我幫你平均了一下,你受傷的機率至少10%~20%左右。你是要我覺得你是不耐摔呢?還是因為缺乏正確的觀念,所以容易摔傷?

再說,在雪地摔痛摔累了,應該也算吧?

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我認為沒噴雪花,是因為你沒用到鋼邊。
明明立板立成那樣了,在雪地都刻出兩條近幾乾淨的線溝了,還沒用到鋼邊?不然要什麼樣才叫做用到鋼邊呢?
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不止吧,我指的是這五年來。我幫你平均了一下,你受傷的機率至少10%~20%左右。你是要我覺得你是不耐摔呢?還是因為缺乏正確的觀念,所以容易摔傷?
最近五年我有一年沒滑ㄟ!

四年摔傷一次,那機率是 25 % 沒錯。

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再說,在雪地摔痛摔累了,應該也算吧?
你滑那麼慢當然比較不容易摔。

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明明立板立成那樣了,在雪地都刻出兩條近幾乾淨的線溝了,還沒用到鋼邊?不然要什麼樣才叫做用到鋼邊呢?
再去看看 paul lorenz 的影片,不然你認為他雪板的雪花是因為煞車刮出來的?
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