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舊 2011-05-27, 11:30 AM   #101
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Taichiskiing - it's been a long time! Were you on vacation these days? Talking about Norman, you are too kind! Please just tell him the truth - he is not even "初級/green/基本滑饅頭". Bump skiing is the most difficult skill to master, IMHO. You must be kidding to say that to Norman "再練九天(九天饅頭/只滑饅頭)說不定可以趕上你現在想像的境界"?! I would say that he needs at least 10 times of that - 90 days.
你進步太慢了,這是適合你的情況,你沒看過我在第四天最後一趟接近完成的動作,不然你就會再受打擊了。哈哈。
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舊 2011-05-27, 11:31 AM   #102
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You finally tell your friend the truth of his level now.

I think you better tell him that it's impossible for him to ski the level he predict after 9 days of praticing skiing moguls ( like the demo team )

Enjoy your rollerblading and the summer.

Hopefully see you next season, Regard

By the way, whom will you put the bet on, my daughter or Norman after 3 days skiing.
9天已足夠讓我完成滑藍色路線及進入初級黑線了,我一開始就沒說我現在饅頭很厲害,不過你們要是幾年內沒有再更多的進步,被我超過是遲早的事了,至少在幾年內會發生的。

至於是我再練三天會不會超過你女兒在饅頭上的速度,等你看到我再練6小時的直排輪動作後,我相信你的信心會動搖的,哈哈。
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舊 2011-05-27, 12:56 PM   #103
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9天已足夠讓我完成滑藍色路線及進入初級黑線了,我一開始就沒說我現在饅頭很厲害,不過你們要是幾年內沒有再更多的進步,被我超過是遲早的事了,至少在幾年內會發生的。

至於是我再練三天會不會超過你女兒在饅頭上的速度,等你看到我再練6小時的直排輪動作後,我相信你的信心會動搖的,哈哈。
你要進步還早呢。連基本動作都那麽爛,能進步到哪練錯的姿勢,到後來還是錯。給你九年也是一樣的結果
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舊 2011-05-27, 04:13 PM   #104
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你要進步還早呢。連基本動作都那麽爛,能進步到哪練錯的姿勢,到後來還是錯。給你九年也是一樣的結果
看到長癬了。

你不是說我今年就是出門滑,還是一樣是石像滑法,我早已破了你的說法了,你腦裏還在ride and park,就說你眼力差,你無法證明差別又看不懂,亂剪照片胡亂指,要是你能真說出一個所以然,我還相信你技術有一定的程度,最近胡亂指的結果,只讓你曝露你的真實技術更差的證明而已,你放心,我不會拿你九年前的影片做比較,但現今講的話,實在只是證明你的技術低能而已。

就說我今年的核心技術完善了,連我都覺得太強了,想練什麼動作,都太簡單了,這是你永遠也無法體會的,哈哈。

什麼是錯誤的動作?你要是能理解,你就不會這麼講了,練錯誤的動作進步很快,練對的動作進步很慢,那到底哪一個才是錯誤的動作?
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舊 2011-05-27, 10:51 PM   #105
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看到長癬了。

你不是說我今年就是出門滑,還是一樣是石像滑法,我早已破了你的說法了,你腦裏還在ride and park,就說你眼力差,你無法證明差別又看不懂,亂剪照片胡亂指,要是你能真說出一個所以然,我還相信你技術有一定的程度,最近胡亂指的結果,只讓你曝露你的真實技術更差的證明而已,你放心,我不會拿你九年前的影片做比較,但現今講的話,實在只是證明你的技術低能而已。

就說我今年的核心技術完善了,連我都覺得太強了,想練什麼動作,都太簡單了,這是你永遠也無法體會的,哈哈。

什麼是錯誤的動作?你要是能理解,你就不會這麼講了,練錯誤的動作進步很快,練對的動作進步很慢,那到底哪一個才是錯誤的動作?
你已經說過我很會挑片了。看不懂如何會挑片。不懂的根本是你

你能比我懂到哪

你英文爛
你學歷沒我高
你讀的學校沒我好
你成績沒我吊
你書讀得比我少
你沒雪具
你不懂雪具
你沒雪鞋
你不懂雪靴的好壞

。。。。

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舊 2011-05-27, 11:08 PM   #106
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其實我早貼給lelo了,而看他什時有空,什時貼,我都無所謂,如果他出門度假1週,那就一週後再貼囉。

如你所說的,滑綠線是初級進入饅頭的基本技術,但也要做對,做錯也是沒有用的。
你滑饅頭的“程序”是正確的,但是“慢”,一半是因為你的滑線/granny line慢,另一半是你的滑的技術/動作慢,(你也必需慢來配合你的granny line),你點杖的間隔差不多一秒一次(一個點杖一個彎,不錯),

YouTube - ‪黑線饅頭‬‏



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關於主副腳,我當然知道,只是我現在不在乎主副腳的問題了,那個只要在滑行稍注意一下就行了,其他的實在沒什麼好說的,到這程度後,實在不是三言兩語就能說明的。
你現在不搞清楚,到時一亂一急更搞不清楚‧這個高手點杖一秒四次,你還有時間去注意/想那個是主腳嗎?

YouTube - ‪Mogul Logic, Mogul Skiing Instruction on Skiing in a Stacked Position‬‏



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對lelo的事,我也有些不好意思耶。哈哈,我都想盡量少講點。
「知止而后有定,定而后能靜,靜而后能安,安而后能慮,慮而后能得。」—大學—

上級技術總是由內省開始。

:)
IS
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舊 2011-05-27, 11:37 PM   #107
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Taichiskiing - it's been a long time! Were you on vacation these days? Talking about Norman, you are too kind! Please just tell him the truth - he is not even "初級/green/基本滑饅頭". Bump skiing is the most difficult skill to master, IMHO. You must be kidding to say that to Norman "再練九天(九天饅頭/只滑饅頭)說不定可以趕上你現在想像的境界"?! I would say that he needs at least 10 times of that - 90 days.
Well, some mundane thingy need to be taken care of, and I back to rollerblading.

Norman did show he can come down a bump hill none stop, so that does qualify him "green," at least. To be a coach, you need to be fair/"level headed," look the facts.

"再練九天(九天饅頭/只滑饅頭)說不定可以趕上你現在想像的境界" is to say something due-able, doesn't mean he would actually get it, and his "想像的境界" only posture look alike, so really not that high/difficult. But nevertheless, I think I can train him to ski the black diamond bumps comfortably in nine days.

:)
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舊 2011-05-28, 12:05 AM   #108
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You finally tell your friend the truth of his level now.

I think you better tell him that it's impossible for him to ski the level he predict after 9 days of praticing skiing moguls ( like the demo team )
No, he probably would never be able to ski "like the demo team," but for what he can only ski a few days a year, if he can do the "blue line" moguls I'd give him some credits already, after all, we are only talking about "amateur/recreational skiing."

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Enjoy your rollerblading and the summer.

Hopefully see you next season, Regard

By the way, whom will you put the bet on, my daughter or Norman after 3 days skiing.
Your daughter would ski better and faster than him now if she has skied regularly, but I wouldn't bet on it, as Norman is a man at his prime, brute force alone can carry him quite far.

:)
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舊 2011-05-28, 03:32 AM   #109
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No, he probably would never be able to ski "like the demo team," but for what he can only ski a few days a year, if he can do the "blue line" moguls I'd give him some credits already, after all, we are only talking about "amateur/recreational skiing."



Your daughter would ski better and faster than him now if she has skied regularly, but I wouldn't bet on it, as Norman is a man at his prime, brute force alone can carry him quite far.

:)
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就說我今年的核心技術完善了,連我都覺得太強了,想練什麼動作,都太簡單了,這是你永遠也無法體會的,哈哈

So what do you think about him, for me, it's too much like a guy in his dream.

By the way, you count it wrong, he start his kind of short turns at 20" and finish at 50" and he made 18 turns. It's close to 2 seconds a turn. The bumps are so small and he still need that time to make a turn. He shouldn't be that proud of himself. Compare to The Face you skied down, the bumps he skied is like nothing although your line is the smallest bumps line on that run.

He said he can ski better than my daughter after 3 days of skiing. Since you think his pride can bring him so high, then you bet on him and I bet on my daughter.

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舊 2011-05-28, 03:55 AM   #110
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看到長癬了。

你不是說我今年就是出門滑,還是一樣是石像滑法,我早已破了你的說法了,你腦裏還在ride and park,就說你眼力差,你無法證明差別又看不懂,亂剪照片胡亂指,要是你能真說出一個所以然,我還相信你技術有一定的程度,最近胡亂指的結果,只讓你曝露你的真實技術更差的證明而已,你放心,我不會拿你九年前的影片做比較,但現今講的話,實在只是證明你的技術低能而已。

就說我今年的核心技術完善了,連我都覺得太強了,想練什麼動作,都太簡單了,這是你永遠也無法體會的,哈哈。

什麼是錯誤的動作?你要是能理解,你就不會這麼講了,練錯誤的動作進步很快,練對的動作進步很慢,那到底哪一個才是錯誤的動作?
Right now, most of your movement is from your upper body and it supposed to be less movement and your lower body is still very stiff.

You can send your video to your Austrian top instructor Paul to give you some comment but make sure you put your comment to yourself with your email to him. I translate for you:

This year I have successfully finished my core technique and I my skiing becomes so strong that whatever drills for me are so simple to do.
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舊 2011-05-28, 06:41 PM   #111
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Right now, most of your movement is from your upper body and it supposed to be less movement and your lower body is still very stiff.

You can send your video to your Austrian top instructor Paul to give you some comment but make sure you put your comment to yourself with your email to him. I translate for you:

This year I have successfully finished my core technique and I my skiing becomes so strong that whatever drills for me are so simple to do.
就說你除了會發大紅字,還會做什麼?

現在還不需要拿去問,等時候到了,我自然就會去問了。

你不能了解我的核心技術是什麼,所以才會認為這麼無知,前面我已說了,我再練六小時的直排輪後,你就知道差別在哪裏了,不過前提要你能看得懂才行。

我的核心技術是什麼,我沒講,什會有人知呢?就算講了也未必知道,因為這是有很多綜合原因的。我可以提示下步練習目極是什麼,我會把身體收回來而不是完全全身伸直,調整updown的位置,調整落腳的位置,調整timing的位置,而你唯一可能看得懂我的動作是真正的down unweigh的動作,我可以提示一段影片動作給你看,什麼叫做真正的收腳動作。

04:16~04:24的動作,我可以用直排輪滑出來這個動作,練滿六小時即可,我只要直排輪能滑出的動作,就能用雪板滑得出來,而用雪板你能嗎?

YouTube - ‪Learn to Ski - 12. Short Turns‬‏


當然,我練的目標還不在此,你很難想像的啦。

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你滑饅頭的“程序”是正確的,但是“慢”,一半是因為你的滑線/granny line慢,另一半是你的滑的技術/動作慢,(你也必需慢來配合你的granny line),你點杖的間隔差不多一秒一次(一個點杖一個彎,不錯),

YouTube - ‪黑線饅頭‬‏




你現在不搞清楚,到時一亂一急更搞不清楚‧這個高手點杖一秒四次,你還有時間去注意/想那個是主腳嗎?

YouTube - ‪Mogul Logic, Mogul Skiing Instruction on Skiing in a Stacked Position‬‏




「知止而后有定,定而后能靜,靜而后能安,安而后能慮,慮而后能得。」—大學—

上級技術總是由內省開始。

:)
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我從來不亂點杖的,要確定自己如何點杖,才能確定如何改善及練習更進步。

我的新核心技術完善後,主腳副腳的問題對我來說已不需要在意及注意了,當然,主腳副腳的問題早解決了,不然就不叫做核心技術完善囉,所以我決定要如何調整重心變化,已不需要用腦袋想了,只要練什麼動作,先決定一下重心比例變動就行了。
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Well, some mundane thingy need to be taken care of, and I back to rollerblading.

Norman did show he can come down a bump hill none stop, so that does qualify him "green," at least. To be a coach, you need to be fair/"level headed," look the facts.

"再練九天(九天饅頭/只滑饅頭)說不定可以趕上你現在想像的境界" is to say something due-able, doesn't mean he would actually get it, and his "想像的境界" only posture look alike, so really not that high/difficult. But nevertheless, I think I can train him to ski the black diamond bumps comfortably in nine days.

:)
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Don't be silly, he is not going to be trained by you. As you say, he got too much pride, much much more than you, his target is much much higher than your hign end skiing.

Once he can ski a bit better, he is going to kick your ass. Remember the roller blade agruement between you and him. As a person knows nothing about roller blading,in roller blading, his look is better than yours since he try to imitate those roller blade racers but you are doing it with your free form. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying who is a stronger roller blader.
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就說你除了會發大紅字,還會做什麼?

現在還不需要拿去問,等時候到了,我自然就會去問了。

你不能了解我的核心技術是什麼,所以才會認為這麼無知,前面我已說了,我再練六小時的直排輪後,你就知道差別在哪裏了,不過前提要你能看得懂才行。

我的核心技術是什麼,我沒講,什會有人知呢?就算講了也未必知道,因為這是有很多綜合原因的。我可以提示下步練習目極是什麼,我會把身體收回來而不是完全全身伸直,調整updown的位置,調整落腳的位置,調整timing的位置,而你唯一可能看得懂我的動作是真正的down unweigh的動作,我可以提示一段影片動作給你看,什麼叫做真正的收腳動作。

04:16~04:24的動作,我可以用直排輪滑出來這個動作,練滿六小時即可,我只要直排輪能滑出的動作,就能用雪板滑得出來,而用雪板你能嗎?

YouTube - ‪Learn to Ski - 12. Short Turns‬‏

當然,我練的目標還不在此,你很難想像的啦。
The color one is I try to translate for you so you can make Paul understand what ypu boost. Of course you don't dare to send it because your skiing is so shitty right now.

First of all, their skiing is very so so, not really impressive for me, Second, From 04:16- 04:24, it's just like an excise of retracting the feet at the end of the turn, we did it sometimes in training and it's not hard at all. the guy also look a liitle 辛苦, at least doesn't look comfortable.

I know nothing about rollerblading but for sure it helps skiing a bit. It helps doesn't mean that it can replace on snow trainning.

Last year you already said you can ski like the demo after last year pratice on roller blade but the result is just a joke. I know you'll keep like a joke for some more years since you won't go skiing but keep boosting how good you are. Nobody can replace your position as a joke.
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舊 2011-05-28, 11:57 PM   #115
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就說我今年的核心技術完善了,連我都覺得太強了,想練什麼動作,都太簡單了,這是你永遠也無法體會的,哈哈

So what do you think about him, for me, it's too much like a guy in his dream.
No, I don't think he's dreaming; I think he has actually "studied" what he said, only for him lacks of skiing experience, he didn't really know "what is what" in what he said, and as a young man in his prime physical conditions, naturally he would over estimate his abilities, so, you may think that he is boasting, but he is actually thinking that he can do it, but without experience for reference, he doesn't even know that he cannot do it. Nevertheless, he is a skiing enthusiast; my feeling is if he was not marrying and having kid so early, he would probably be another CSIA terminal L2 by now; I see the similiarity in he arguing you as you arguing me.

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By the way, you count it wrong, he start his kind of short turns at 20" and finish at 50" and he made 18 turns. It's close to 2 seconds a turn. The bumps are so small and he still need that time to make a turn. He shouldn't be that proud of himself. Compare to The Face you skied down, the bumps he skied is like nothing although your line is the smallest bumps line on that run.
No, he is not showing "proud of himself," but to put up a "front face" to fend off you gappers' bashing.

In Taichi Skiing, a good bumper skis bumps without skiing bumps,

YouTube - ‪Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: bumps 3‬‏



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He said he can ski better than my daughter after 3 days of skiing. Since you think his pride can bring him so high, then you bet on him and I bet on my daughter.
You like to speculate things to gain some "口舌之利," don't you? How do you actually compare them? You also need to define what is "better" first?

:)
IS
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舊 2011-05-29, 12:00 AM   #116
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我從來不亂點杖的,要確定自己如何點杖,才能確定如何改善及練習更進步。
主意不錯,但是也是這個“要確定自己如何點杖”(決定點杖的時效與地點)太慢,使得你快不起來。

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我的新核心技術完善後,主腳副腳的問題對我來說已不需要在意及注意了,當然,主腳副腳的問題早解決了,不然就不叫做核心技術完善囉,所以我決定要如何調整重心變化,已不需要用腦袋想了,只要練什麼動作,先決定一下重心比例變動就行了。
又創一個新名稱?什麼叫做核心技術完善嗎,你要是不知道主、副腳和其作用在那,你也不知道重心是什麼,所以你也不知道怎樣去調整重心的變化,另外一個你快不起來的原因。

:)
IS
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... if he was not marrying and having kid so early, he would probably be another CSIA terminal L2 by now...
Taichiskiing - that statement is an insult to CSIA. You must be kidding that Norman can pass CSIA L2 with only few ski days a year in few years?
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Taichiskiing - that statement is an insult to CSIA. You must be kidding that Norman can pass CSIA L2 with only few ski days a year in few years?
No, if Norman were not married, he would probably ski like carver_hk, all over the places and all the time (which he did before he got married, 溫柔鄉,英雄塚); who knows, he might just take up CSIA's training courses, and that's what I see how a lot of Chinese from Hongkong and Taiwan get their CSIA certs, easy.

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No, I don't think he's dreaming; I think he has actually "studied" what he said, only for him lacks of skiing experience, he didn't really know "what is what" in what he said, and as a young man in his prime physical conditions, naturally he would over estimate his abilities, so, you may think that he is boasting, but he is actually thinking that he can do it, but without experience for reference, he doesn't even know that he cannot do it. Nevertheless, he is a skiing enthusiast; my feeling is if he was not marrying and having kid so early, he would probably be another CSIA terminal L2 by now; I see the similiarity in he arguing you as you arguing me.



No, he is not showing "proud of himself," but to put up a "front face" to fend off you gappers' bashing.

In Taichi Skiing, a good bumper skis bumps without skiing bumps,

YouTube - ‪Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: bumps 3‬‏




You like to speculate things to gain some "口舌之利," don't you? How do you actually compare them? You also need to define what is "better" first?

:)
IS
It's not me to compare them, It's Norman step down her and said he can bet her after 6 days of skiing.

You don't have to show your bump skiing to me again and again, show me when I am on Heavenly next season.

As I said before, he may fulfill his dream if he can spend 1/2 the snow time like you. In sport, you can't only study, you need to do it, pratice and pratice and the dream may come true, but still depend on one's talent.

I am not the only one who argue with you. As BB said, your skiing can be considered as drill and an realy expert can ski the way you ski. You can prove me wrong once I am on Heavenly. At least you are on slope so we should be able to meet if we try. Norman will never dare to come out. He may go to take video of his skiing on some easy slope and just says our level of skiing is too low to understand. By the way, he also argue with you once he think he's better than you on the rollerblade and the endless argument persist for few monthes since he got some back up from Beg.

Anyway , enjoy your summer and see you next Feb on Heavenly. Mike on HKSSA already bought a pass there and we'll join him.
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