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舊 2012-04-26, 11:11 PM   #41
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你認爲他沒有嗎
我不認為他有,我的看法是,他只是滑往山上一瞬間利用向山上的力量收腳起來而已。

如同下面這動作往山上滑,只是一個是伸展,一個是收縮而已。

Learning to Ski: Carving skiing lesson - bergfex.com - YouTube

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舊 2012-04-26, 11:23 PM   #42
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我不認為他有,我的看法是,他只是滑往山上一瞬間利用向山上的力量收腳起來而已。
你可以切一個圖讓我看他什麽時候往山上滑馬
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舊 2012-04-26, 11:33 PM   #43
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你可以切一個圖讓我看他什麽時候往山上滑馬
0:38~0:41秒,自己看囉。
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舊 2012-04-26, 11:36 PM   #44
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0:38~0:41秒,自己看囉。
我的影片長度不到12秒耶
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舊 2012-04-26, 11:42 PM   #45
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我的影片長度不到12秒耶
向山上瞬間,不過我不覺得你看得出來耶。

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舊 2012-04-26, 11:43 PM   #46
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向山上瞬間,不過我不覺得你看得出來耶。

所以你認爲這是指像山上
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舊 2012-04-26, 11:45 PM   #47
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舊 2012-04-27, 12:54 AM   #48
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我不認為他的問題是你說的這些,他只是上半身保持不夠正向穩定而已。

你也可以評下面這段是不是也up-and-down 般的 pop了?

Learning to Ski: Carving skiing lesson - bergfex.com - YouTube
這部片子的人滑的比他滑的好太多了 你知道為何我們一直在討論你的 pop-up? 中文意思就是那個 unweighting 是一種突兀的向上蹦起的動作 - 正確的應該是 smoothly switch 而不是 pop
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舊 2012-04-27, 02:26 AM   #49
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http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpo...4&postcount=32

這個紅衣男為何會跌一大跤? 雖然他滑的遠比弱慢大師好 但是因為他還是有弱慢大師的嚴重缺點: up-and-down 般的 pop 並且加上他的後座問題 所以造成內側板 locked 而無法 release
He is in a period of break thru around this time. About the pop, please see my post.

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpo...71&postcount=1

Here he is pushing his limit on a high performance skis on a steep pitch with high edge angle, very fast.

About the back seat, sure, but that is not a static position. He is not back seat all the time. The situation he is in also caused it to be worst than it should be
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舊 2012-04-27, 02:53 AM   #50
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He should face the direction of travel. My eyes are not so good so can't really comment too detail.
To me, too much counter balance is not really a problem. Even it is, it is much easier to fix than to have not enough. What do you think?

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He should face the direction of travel. My eyes are not so good so can't really comment too detail.
This is PMTS style skiing so there is some difference. There are several coaches present including HH and his wife when this video was taken.
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舊 2012-04-27, 03:09 AM   #51
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Obvious to me that he built up a lot of pressure on the ski tail which later on pop and caught him unexpected. He wasn't rounding up his turn for speed controller and his speed kept increasing down the run.

For me, he seems to be on his back seat most of the time. What causing that, I think when he cross the ski, he cross it from side to side with not enough forward movement down the hill. He can't load the ski tip and always loading the ski tail instead.

What's the PMTS expert said? Is he practicing the (super) phantom move at that time?

此篇文章於 2012-04-27 03:16 AM 被 B2L2 編輯。
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舊 2012-04-27, 03:39 AM   #52
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Obvious to me that he built up a lot of pressure on the ski tail which later on pop and caught him unexpected. He wasn't rounding up his turn for speed controller and his speed kept increasing down the run.

For me, he seems to be on his back seat most of the time. What causing that, I think when he cross the ski, he cross it from side to side with not enough forward movement down the hill. He can't load the ski tip and always loading the ski tail instead.

What's the PMTS expert said? Is he practicing the (super) phantom move at that time?
I think you are right on, PMTS or not, especially about the turn shape. He was practicing to get bigger age angle and this is the biggest he had gotten at that time. I guess you read my description about phantom move, it is always the default way to ski in PMTS. It is not a symmetric movement, e.g edge change is not simultaneous, whether others can see it or not will depend on the skill of the person performing.
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舊 2012-04-27, 03:50 AM   #53
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To me, too much counter balance is not really a problem. Even it is, it is much easier to fix than to have not enough. What do you think?



This is PMTS style skiing so there is some difference. There are several coaches present including HH and his wife when this video was taken.
If it's a problem or not a problem , it all depend . For me , this kind of alignment thing on carving long radius turn is not easy for me to fix .

If you compare his with the picture by Barnes or even with hh there is some difference
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舊 2012-04-27, 04:03 AM   #54
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If it's a problem or not a problem , it all depend . For me , this kind of alignment thing on carving long radius turn is not easy for me to fix .

If you compare his with the picture by Barnes or even with hh there is some difference
What I mean is that it is the better of the two. It is easier to tone it down. Most people unable to have enough. This is if you are talking about PMTS "counter balance"
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舊 2012-04-27, 04:04 AM   #55
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... About the back seat, sure, but that is not a static position. He is not back seat all the time. The situation he is in also caused it to be worst than it should be
skier888 - You can see his problem right from this snapshot:


His backseat problem was actually caused by his weak inner upper body. His inner upper body sank.
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舊 2012-04-27, 04:11 AM   #56
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Obvious to me that he built up a lot of pressure on the ski tail which later on pop and caught him unexpected. He wasn't rounding up his turn for speed controller and his speed kept increasing down the run.

For me, he seems to be on his back seat most of the time. What causing that, I think when he cross the ski, he cross it from side to side with not enough forward movement down the hill. He can't load the ski tip and always loading the ski tail instead.

What's the PMTS expert said? Is he practicing the (super) phantom move at that time?
B2L2 - you are right on!
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舊 2012-04-27, 04:19 AM   #57
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skier888 - You can see his problem right from this snapshot:


His backseat problem was actually caused by his weak inner upper body. His inner upper body sank.
I did acknowledge that the back seat problem. I am just saying he is not in the same back position all the time. I see that he is already at or beyond his limit before this frame. He will not be in this position if he rounded up the turn prior to this like B2L2 point out.
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舊 2012-04-27, 04:49 AM   #58
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This is a good PMTS demo so that we see why people skiing certain way

Power Release - Short Arcs - YouTube

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舊 2012-04-27, 04:57 AM   #59
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This is a good PMTS demo so that we see why people skiing certain way

Power Release - Short Arcs - YouTube
你看這個 demo 就明顯地 smooth transition 而沒有那個紅衣男的 pop up. 當然這個 demo 有其它的問題存在譬如說他的 poling style 不是偶喜歡的
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舊 2012-04-27, 05:52 AM   #60
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你看這個 demo 就明顯地 smooth transition 而沒有那個紅衣男的 pop up. 當然這個 demo 有其它的問題存在譬如說他的 poling style 不是偶喜歡的
There is a reason why I call it "demo". I think the pop up you are talking about is cause by the rebound (is why I post it here.) that he tried to recover from.
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