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Observer 寫:Using the same words, phrases, taichiskiing videos, over and over again.
Do you ever think about why people are 'agaist' you?
Not really, you may move your feet, nevertheless, if you don't move you hips/center of gravity, you don't go anywhere (Broadway stage steps serve a good example).skier888 寫:Standing in the middle of the door way, tip your foot and the hip will move, continue tipping and you will fall and touch the side of the door way. Tipping is the cause, hip move is one of the effects.
Both inclination and angulation are "against" the turning force/centripetal force, but in angulation the body is "shorter," "lower center of gravity," and "move the weight quicker," so it is more effective and efficient way to turn than inclination.Inclination is to balance against the turning force. You are more likely to fall when you hit a bump on the snow surface if that is all you depend on. Angulation is to balance on ski edge. You will find it is easier to recover from a bump if you have more angulation. pku touches on something similar to this on two occasions but he phrases it differently in different context.
Nor really, if you cannot see how the skier in front uses his hips to initiate his turns and yet the upper body remains stable, watch the chaser's shadow,If you see people using hip to initiate the turn, you are likely to see unstable upper body and rotations.
You're only half right, high level skiing is all about "linked S turns," without some sort of rotation during turning, you cannot have a "balanced skiing," that's only our "body nature" (see how our body walks).BTW, I am not saying rotation is bad. There are rotations that you can see and there are rotations that you can't see.
上樑不正下樑歪‧ You wrong question couldn't make your conclusion right. And this ex PSIA L4 told me he moves his hips first to initiate his turns.snowrider 寫:Announcement -
I sent the question to the best technical trainer (a high PSIA Level-3 nice guy) in our ski school. I just received his email:
[indent]"Edge control starts from the ankle. The ankle is closest to the ski and should be what starts edge control movements. Tip the boots first to get to an edge instead of moving the hip.
Everyone/every country has their ways of teaching. In general it is similar movements but there are a lot of ideas of how to get to expert level quicker."[/indent]
I am sorry that I got a bad sample question with a bad anwser from some out-dated PSIA source. Yes, skier888 is right, for the keyword is "start". Therefore, the winners are:
skier888
PSBoy
Vicente
Observer
You've got that right.Gosh ... now I know 盡信書不如無書.
Maybe you can video you own progress how you improving your techniques and show us how moving ankle to initiate the turn really works?Observer 寫:Snowrider:
Thank you for taking the time to confirm the answer from a high PSIA L3. Yeah, sometimes the manual can be outdated.
It was a great exercise for all of us to ponder for the 'correct' answer. And now we know the answer and that should help us in improving our techniques.
If you do not wrap up in your own world of skiing with your own theory and critising all the established world skiing bodies, you could learn something.taichiskiing 寫:Maybe you can video you own progress how you improving your techniques and show us how moving ankle to initiate the turn really works?
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IS
That's our passions for skiing!snowrider 寫:Announcement -
I sent the question to the best technical trainer (a high PSIA Level-3 nice guy) in our ski school. I just received his email:
[indent]"Edge control starts from the ankle. The ankle is closest to the ski and should be what starts edge control movements. Tip the boots first to get to an edge instead of moving the hip.
Everyone/every country has their ways of teaching. In general it is similar movements but there are a lot of ideas of how to get to expert level quicker."[/indent]
I am sorry that I got a bad sample question with a bad anwser from some out-dated PSIA source. Yes, skier888 is right, for the keyword is "start". Therefore, the winners are:
skier888
PSBoy
Vicente
Observer
Gosh ... now I know 盡信書不如無書.
Taichiskiing - Thanks for the info. But PSIA does not have L4 (so I assume that it's your typo.)taichiskiing 寫:上樑不正下樑歪‧ You wrong question couldn't make your conclusion right. And this ex PSIA L4 told me he moves his hips first to initiate his turns.
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He is talking about examiner/trainer and alike. Now we know who is behind himsnowrider 寫:Taichiskiing - Thanks for the info. But PSIA does not have L4 (so I assume that it's your typo.)
He make himself PSIA L4 since he got kick out in L1 exam.snowrider 寫:Taichiskiing - Thanks for the info. But PSIA does not have L4 (so I assume that it's your typo.)
snowrider 寫:Taichiskiing - Thanks for the info. But PSIA does not have L4 (so I assume that it's your typo.)
你們是看身體外在動作還是看身體內在動作？snowrider 寫:Announcement -
I sent the question to the best technical trainer (a high PSIA Level-3 nice guy) in our ski school. I just received his email:
[indent]"Edge control starts from the ankle. The ankle is closest to the ski and should be what starts edge control movements. Tip the boots first to get to an edge instead of moving the hip.
Everyone/every country has their ways of teaching. In general it is similar movements but there are a lot of ideas of how to get to expert level quicker."[/indent]
I am sorry that I got a bad sample question with a bad anwser from some out-dated PSIA source. Yes, skier888 is right, for the keyword is "start". Therefore, the winners are:
skier888
PSBoy
Vicente
Observer
Gosh ... now I know 盡信書不如無書.
大師浮出水面了normanding 寫:你們是看身體外在動作還是看身體內在動作？
最近有人提用大腿內側肌肉，我覺得這可能就是所謂的腳踝先動的方法吧？
而我提的用腰及大腿外側肌肉，這會讓自己的臀部先動。
我有跟你提過，哪個點先動，跟教的人有關，教的人用什麼方法動，答案就會有所不同。
所以這答案本身並不客觀，跟對錯也無關。
進步夠不夠快才是重點。
taichiskiing 寫:YouTube - Ski Practice 7: Harald Harb's "Phantom Move"
Yup, HH has said when turning he moves the "feet"/skis first, easy for carving, and he turns well; nevertheless, note his "regular" turn shapes and turning tempos—turn-skiing, kind of sterile (not lively enough). Moving the hips to turn makes skiing much more efficient, "lively"/活生生的, and "playful"/好玩,
YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: free skiing
Not really, according to math, a bended body (angulation) is short than a straight one (inclination), so angulation has a lower center of gravity than inclination, and according to physics, a lower center of gravity is more stable, so, the inclination has narrower [movement] range, i.e. angulation can turn more sharply than inclination, and for balancing, moving the "weight" is quicker than moving the feet, so, angulation is more efficient than inclination.
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IS
taichiskiing 寫:Because your knowledge domain too small?
Only little knowledge knocks down the "established" scientific theories and think they know/do better.
Racing is pretty "limited" skiing as it's confined on man-made courses, and racers' life is about "life style"/disciplines and not directly tied with techniques/skills, nevertheless, given that they have to travel all over the places to compete, not enough time to study and/or experience "real living," most racers have a limited world views and life philosophy, I don't encourage my students to go for that life style. I don't train racers, but "real" skiers to "enjoy" their "real world" skiing.
YouTube - Flatboarding: cruising on Olympic, Heavenly
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IS
taichiskiing 寫:Not really, you may move your feet, nevertheless, if you don't move you hips/center of gravity, you don't go anywhere (Broadway stage steps serve a good example).
Both inclination and angulation are "against" the turning force/centripetal force, but in angulation the body is "shorter," "lower center of gravity," and "move the weight quicker," so it is more effective and efficient way to turn than inclination.
Nor really, if you cannot see how the skier in front uses his hips to initiate his turns and yet the upper body remains stable, watch the chaser's shadow,
YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: free skiing
You're only half right, high level skiing is all about "linked S turns," without some sort of rotation during turning, you cannot have a "balanced skiing," that's only our "body nature" (see how our body walks).
:)
IS
Judging from the video, look at his first turn. He is using the typical rotation with shoulder and hands. You can determine the direction on his turn by looking at the direction of his hands. One does not need to use hip to spin. pivot slip does not use hip. One can easily spin if you don't make the upper lower body seperationtaichiskiing 寫:上樑不正下樑歪‧ You wrong question couldn't make your conclusion right. And this ex PSIA L4 told me he moves his hips first to initiate his turns.
YouTube - Flatboarding/Line-skiing: free skiing
without moving hips/weight first, you cannot do spins or switch/ski backward.
You've got that right.
:)
IS
normanding 寫:你們是看身體外在動作還是看身體內在動作？
最近有人提用大腿內側肌肉，我覺得這可能就是所謂的腳踝先動的方法吧？
而我提的用腰及大腿外側肌肉，這會讓自己的臀部先動。
我有跟你提過，哪個點先動，跟教的人有關，教的人用什麼方法動，答案就會有所不同。
所以這答案本身並不客觀，跟對錯也無關。
進步夠不夠快才是重點。
Wake up! 
You said you can ski like the Italian demo video after praticing your roller blade trianing and is still a joke. Now you are boosting how far you improve again, I think you'll hide a bit longer and take care of you new noodle house. Earn more money and find a good trainer and ski more. Get some result first.normanding 寫:因為覺得這個硬度答案選擇實在太好笑了。
讓我看到進步的快慢跟這選擇有所關係。
我什麼時候講練直排輪馬上就能滑得像義大利示範片？pku 寫:You said you can ski like the Italian demo video after praticing your roller blade trianing and is still a joke. Now you are boosting how far you improve again, I think you'll hide a bit longer and take care of you new noodle house. Earn more money and find a good trainer and ski more. Get some result first.
