Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

管他是好咖還是怪咖,只要是咖就能發言,有任何技術問題,在此討論就對啦。

版主: norman

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#121 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 10:27 am

lelo 寫:滑胖灣能減速我當然知道,問題是在拍那段片子時,我不想減速啊!

速度太慢要怎顯示自己的技術?
是呀,你不減速跟我的胖C彎是一樣的滑線長度跟時間,用邏輯想一下吧,至少我滑胖C彎跟你不減速的動作是一樣快的,例如一個滑道200公尺,你3個彎就下來了,我可以做到5個彎下來,但是一個C彎滑行的長度及時間都是一樣的,也就是說你比我快到底,但是你的滑行長度少了我兩個彎,這便是控制,且你速度還是沒比我快。

說實在的,看得懂的都知道,你一過落下線,整個斜滑都在剎車,你不覺得嗎?這剎多了真的會累、會流汗、會腿酸的。

也就是說你從山上到山下,你滑了五十個彎,或許你還不覺得累,只是覺得體溫升高而已,而我滑了80個彎,滑線比你多30個的長度,而我即不會累又不會喘也不會冒汗,那你說呢?除非你也要再滑久一點,至少要達到80個彎,然後來看看你是不是更累更喘了?想也知道吧?

所以你不是很相信EpicSki的說法,你還沒回答我這個人的說法你認不認同呢,如果你不認同,你幹嘛老是要我去那問題?至少這個人說出這話,也沒人反對他吧?

Looking at the difference between how the two of you ski, I think you are skiing better than Jacob, but it's not a huge difference.

太慢要怎麼顯示技術?我們的速度是一樣快的,你一點都不快。


目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#122 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週六 2月 11, 2017 10:39 am

norman 寫: 說實在的,看得懂的都知道,你一過落下線,整個斜滑都在剎車,你不覺得嗎?這剎多了真的會累、會流汗、會腿酸的。
野澤那一段是真的都在煞車,但二世谷那一段真的沒煞車。
也就是說你從山上到山下,你滑了五十個彎,或許你還不覺得累,只是覺得體溫升高而已,而我滑了80個彎,滑線比你多30個的長度,而我即不會累又不會喘也不會冒汗,那你說呢?除非你也要再滑久一點,至少要達到80個彎,然後來看看你是不是更累更喘了?想也知道吧?
這個我從沒見過,你應該拿出影片來。
所以你不是很相信EpicSki的說法,你還沒回答我這個人的說法你認不認同呢,如果你不認同,你幹嘛老是要我去那問題?至少這個人說出這話,也沒人反對他吧?

Looking at the difference between how the two of you ski, I think you are skiing better than Jacob, but it's not a huge difference.
這個人認為我跟你一樣是 XSIA 的滑法,以 XSIA 的標準,我滑的當然比你差一點。

但要我說多少次?我不是滑 XSIA,也沒辦法跟你們學。

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#123 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 11:25 am

lelo 寫:野澤那一段是真的都在煞車,但二世谷那一段真的沒煞車。
你這一段是二世谷的影片,你不覺得剎車,這個就叫做SKIDDING呀,剎車了。

lelo 寫:這個我從沒見過,你應該拿出影片來。
就是以上面這段為基礎計算呀,明顯就一個C彎,我們兩個時間相同,你的C彎入口(山上)跟出口(山下)的直線距離比較長,我的比較短,但我是懷疑你看得出來嗎?
lelo 寫:這個人認為我跟你一樣是 XSIA 的滑法,以 XSIA 的標準,我滑的當然比你差一點。

但要我說多少次?我不是滑 XSIA,也沒辦法跟你們學。
你怎麼知道「這個人認為我跟你一樣是 XSIA 的滑法,」?所有的人都一樣嗎?怎麼沒人反駁?還有,你要問收縮釋壓,又說人家看不懂,我覺得你可以看看下面這一篇討論, 蠻不錯的,你看完後是否還會覺得人家懂不懂。

http://www.epicski.com/t/89368/down-unw ... ral-skiing
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

pku
文章: 3821
註冊時間: 週日 5月 30, 2010 1:02 pm

#124 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 pku » 週六 2月 11, 2017 12:43 pm

snowbender 寫:

I’ve talked to my wife about your proposal, she said leave her out of it, but she was perplexed, said, “I’m sixty-five old woman, he wins me, 沒面子,輸了更丟臉,“What’s his point?”and I kind of agree with her, she is neither a bumper nor a competitor, and has no interest to exhaust herself to win a fake fame. I can sub for her, if you are interested it.
我贏有錢,我輸,基本上系零,不過,有強姦,沒有迫人家賭。

pku
文章: 3821
註冊時間: 週日 5月 30, 2010 1:02 pm

#125 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 pku » 週六 2月 11, 2017 2:31 pm

norman 寫:你這一段是二世谷的影片,你不覺得剎車,這個就叫做SKIDDING呀,剎車了。
https://youtu.be/3LOrnDXovtM



就是以上面這段為基礎計算呀,明顯就一個C彎,我們兩個時間相同,你的C彎入口(山上)跟出口(山下)的直線距離比較長,我的比較短,但我是懷疑你看得出來嗎?



你怎麼知道「這個人認為我跟你一樣是 XSIA 的滑法,」?所有的人都一樣嗎?怎麼沒人反駁?還有,你要問收縮釋壓,又說人家看不懂,我覺得你可以看看下面這一篇討論, 蠻不錯的,你看完後是否還會覺得人家懂不懂。

http://www.epicski.com/t/89368/down-unw ... ral-skiing

你這樣的圓是不能太快,你要把後面那段縮短,那樣速度便快很多

像 Lelo 那樣滑,他 skid 很多,但 skid 是往山下走,反而更快更容易下山,所以他才覺得比你快,我們平常一起滑的朋友也有一個是像 Lelo 那樣滑,他當然比Lelo 快,這樣的滑法是不用多大技術,而且快的氣力很小,由於 Lelo 平衡不好,所以他要避開人時要花很大氣力。他這樣滑法是失控,他能控制雪板的時間要多,所以在饅頭那地方不容許這樣滑,
所以滑雪,又要快,又要滑得有台型,
在 Lelo 來說,他覺得他下得比你快,你不及他,你要有台型,暫時你速度是快不了。不過你也可以去用他方法,尤其是人多時,他沒有你那樣容易控制,你比他快便很容易。

這種滑法在鬆雪,饅頭,陡一點的非壓雪道,樹林,都毫無用處

他是不會進步,也不會聽你講的

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#126 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週六 2月 11, 2017 3:31 pm

norman 寫: 你怎麼知道「這個人認為我跟你一樣是 XSIA 的滑法,」?所有的人都一樣嗎?怎麼沒人反駁?還有,你要問收縮釋壓,又說人家看不懂,我覺得你可以看看下面這一篇討論, 蠻不錯的,你看完後是否還會覺得人家懂不懂。
看了第一頁,不懂得還真多,一堆人連 up/down unweighting 是什麼都不懂。

懶得看下去了!

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#127 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週六 2月 11, 2017 3:35 pm

pku 寫: 這種滑法在鬆雪,饅頭,陡一點的非壓雪道,樹林,都毫無用處

他是不會進步,也不會聽你講的
基本上我是屬於休閒滑雪類的,對技術進展並沒那麼熱衷,只要自己玩得高興就好。

滑雪玩得高興最重要,不是嗎?

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#128 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:23 pm

lelo 寫:看了第一頁,不懂得還真多,一堆人連 up/down unweighting 是什麼都不懂。

懶得看下去了!
你又知道人家不懂?

他們講那麼清楚 ,討論的那麼細膩,你還看不懂,那只能說你根本就沒有辦法理解。

我反而又看出了許多感想,你是無法理解的。 :face (325):

如果你覺得一堆人都不懂亂講,那你何必去那邊問了?
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#129 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:25 pm

lelo 寫:基本上我是屬於休閒滑雪類的,對技術進展並沒那麼熱衷,只要自己玩得高興就好。

滑雪玩得高興最重要,不是嗎?
想要休閒滑雪也要懂得讓自己安全,你的觀念跟技術讓你很危險, 所以不論練怎麼都很容易受傷。 :face (4):
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#130 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:31 pm

norman 寫: 他們講那麼清楚 ,討論的那麼細膩,你還看不懂,那只能說你根本就沒有辦法理解。

我反而又看出了許多感想,你是無法理解的。 :face (325):
你有那些感想,說來聽聽。
如果你覺得一堆人都不懂亂講,那你何必去那邊問了?
也有懂的啊!只是那一討論串被不懂的灌水灌太多 ...

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#131 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:38 pm

lelo 寫:你有那些感想,說來聽聽。



也有懂的啊!只是那一討論串被不懂的灌水灌太多 ...
不說了,第一頁你只看到你要看的,你不要看的都叫不懂亂說。我說了你又沒辦法懂,那還是算了。
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#132 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:45 pm

norman 寫:不說了,第一頁你只看到你要看的,你不要看的都叫不懂亂說。我說了你又沒辦法懂,那還是算了。
那到底是哪一篇發言讓你有感想,你 po 一下編號,我去看 ...

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#133 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:50 pm

pku 寫:
你這樣的圓是不能太快,你要把後面那段縮短,那樣速度便快很多

像 Lelo 那樣滑,他 skid 很多,但 skid 是往山下走,反而更快更容易下山,所以他才覺得比你快,我們平常一起滑的朋友也有一個是像 Lelo 那樣滑,他當然比Lelo 快,這樣的滑法是不用多大技術,而且快的氣力很小,由於 Lelo 平衡不好,所以他要避開人時要花很大氣力。他這樣滑法是失控,他能控制雪板的時間要多,所以在饅頭那地方不容許這樣滑,
所以滑雪,又要快,又要滑得有台型,
在 Lelo 來說,他覺得他下得比你快,你不及他,你要有台型,暫時你速度是快不了。不過你也可以去用他方法,尤其是人多時,他沒有你那樣容易控制,你比他快便很容易。

這種滑法在鬆雪,饅頭,陡一點的非壓雪道,樹林,都毫無用處

他是不會進步,也不會聽你講的
我現在還不能滑快,練習還沒到我滿意的程度,不能進入下一個動作,我的下一個動作跟你提的有點不太一樣,我有另一個名詞叫做「拋物線滑法」,這個速度就會更快了。

「拋物線滑法」就是利用舊彎離心力的力量把自己投射出去,所以舊彎彎尾到新彎2點半的位置是幾乎不接觸雪面的,雖一樣有相同的動作,但近幾不接觸雪面,力量就像標槍一樣投射出去,所以伸腿會比現在減少一些,在上半C的壓力會儘量降到無,由約2點半到3點左右的位置加壓入角。

這樣速度應該會快很多,但這還是需要時間練習。

至於lelo的部份,我還是放棄好了,他連一個駝背的意思都不懂我在說什麼,也不願意仔細弄懂我的意思,我有點無力感了。 :tusky (69):
最後由 norman 於 週六 2月 11, 2017 9:05 pm 編輯,總共編輯了 1 次。
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#134 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 5:51 pm

lelo 寫:那到底是哪一篇發言讓你有感想,你 po 一下編號,我去看 ...
要合很多篇一起看,我得再花時間找及記錄才行,而且你也不知道我是有什麼感想呀。
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#135 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 9:03 pm

norman 寫:要合很多篇一起看,我得再花時間找及記錄才行,而且你也不知道我是有什麼感想呀。
大概看這麼多就可以了,第二頁的後半開始就不太需要看了,因為冒出了太極的方法,變成無謂的爭論了。

1,2,4,6,8,11,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30。

但你沒到我的程度,所以你不知道我的感想跟靈感是什麼,只是這個要再往後放,直到有天我的動作達到某種高度後,會再繼續這個靈感實驗。
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

pku
文章: 3821
註冊時間: 週日 5月 30, 2010 1:02 pm

#136 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 pku » 週六 2月 11, 2017 9:56 pm

snowbender 寫:And you can say anything negative you want, without facts that only makes you a shameless slanderer. “Awesome” is your word.
The reality is you ski ugly, awesome is a word that never apply to your skiing
snowbender 寫:No, “fifty seconds glory” doesn’t count much for me, and your powder and trail runs are “ugly and slow” (does that sound familiar to you?) And I’ve learned another fact from you whistler group/弱慢族, as gappers in general, you gappers responding my posts without reading my articles or videos, just shameless say things negative, pure bashing, “without facts that only makes you a shameless slanderer.”

Here’s one of my powder run, see if you can “recognize” “link turns with rhythm on powder”?

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: powder skiing, 2011 - YouTube
How long a FIS racer finish a course, not much more than 50 second. Your clip is long and boring because you are not actually skiing down You are shopping around.
snowbender 寫:And no, I don’t generally do short turns on moguls, too tedious, and tiring, but I don’t have problem to ski with you “turn for turn” with your short turn.

Heavenly skiing: ski with a Tahoe local, Cathy, Olympic Pines - YouTube
snowbender 寫:And even “only turn better on easy groom like trails” is better than you cannot ski smoothly on trails.
I ski very smoothly everywhere that's not steep. I ski quite smooth even on steep. That lady is skiing one turn and then another turn. The connection between turns is not good and also she turn too rush, cannot connect the energy from one turn to another. Outcome is, she ski very slow.

snowbender 寫:Yes, I enjoy the thrills of “speed,” bumps and moguls field don’t generate that kind of speed. And at my age I cannot affort a misshap, so on the difficult terrain I always ski like “如臨深淵,如履博冰”;Kamikaze style skiing is neither skillful nor good.


Skiing flat terrain fast is easy, good for low level skiers who cannot ski fast on steeper runs

Skiing bumps fast need very accurate timing and very good balance. These two thing for sure is not in your skiing
snowbender;35054 寫:What you call “traverse,” I call it “going places.”

Taichi Skiing: powder bump tree skiing - YouTube




What you call “traverse a lot on bumps,” I called it “long radius turn across the hill and Wedeln over bumps, and that’s my “style,” and my style reflects the terrain and the beauty of the natural forces, which act on our human body. How I “feeL’ is what I ski for, not how I “look,” and my groom runs illustrate that point. You have a narrow view on “skiing.” Nevertheless, do you say this run is “easy groom runs, trails”?

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: Short Spoke gully, Kirkwood - YouTube

You are shopping around on bumps, try to find a easy spot to turn.

When I talked to my friend who ski Heavenly almost every weekend about olympic downdill, he said it's too flat and it's too easy to ski fast on flat. No meaning, waste time.

snowbender
文章: 640
註冊時間: 週四 2月 03, 2011 11:15 pm

#137 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 snowbender » 週六 2月 11, 2017 11:11 pm

pku 寫:Ok.
One runs on Gunbarrel from top of chair to bottom of chair .
One one on Ellie's from top of chair to bottom of chair
One run on Olympic downhill, I'll try to check the map and see what's the best spot to start and where to end.
The forth one, I skied the Ellie's less than 10mins then I win]


The devil is in the details; the first three are fine, we can figure out the details later. But fourth one is too easy for you. When I said you need more time to break than her was referring the conditions she was skiing in—upper sky expressline and over a foot of powder. Such conditions may not exist when you come.

[ame=""]Whitecrane Skiing: Upper [sky] Expressline to Ellie’s, Heavenly on a powder day - YouTube[/ame]


Ellie’s is one of longest black trail in Heavenly, rocky and steep, it is only groomed when the bumps become too bad, so it is bumpy most of the time. Normally, she can finish in 6 minutes.

Whitecrane Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: TTB, Ellie's, Heavenly - YouTube



and I did it in 3+, if you want to race on that trail(groomed or bumps) I can accomadate to that. Oop, I saw you already cover that, then you need figure something else.

$250.00 each run, provide visibility is good
For low visibility, the one skiing there everyday for more than 10 years got huge advantage

I'll ski a bit by myself for 2 days before we meet


Chinese downhill is everything counts and everything goes. You just have to pray that weather and/or snow conditions on the racing day is in you favorite. One more bit of advice, on a icy day, Ellie’s is almost “unskiable.” You may want to practice on that when you are here.


頭像
norman
文章: 13087
註冊時間: 週三 9月 24, 2008 8:55 pm

#138 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 norman » 週六 2月 11, 2017 11:28 pm

snowbender 寫:
Ellie’s is almost “unskiable.” You may want to practice on that when you are here.
我相信這個對PKU不是問題,只要不是沒有雪,無饅頭、無無聊地形,他都很樂意的。 :face (330):
目前總滑天數80天。繼續累積中...我想滑雪。 :face (292): :face (292): :face (292):

滑雪人

lelo
文章: 6011
註冊時間: 週三 10月 08, 2008 10:07 pm

#139 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 lelo » 週日 2月 12, 2017 12:08 am

norman 寫:大概看這麼多就可以了,第二頁的後半開始就不太需要看了,因為冒出了太極的方法,變成無謂的爭論了。

1,2,4,6,8,11,15,16,19,21,22,23,24,27,29,30。

但你沒到我的程度,所以你不知道我的感想跟靈感是什麼,只是這個要再往後放,直到有天我的動作達到某種高度後,會再繼續這個靈感實驗。
我慢慢看,你要發表感想,最好發個新主題,我快要找不到這篇了 ....

snowbender
文章: 640
註冊時間: 週四 2月 03, 2011 11:15 pm

#140 回覆: Ski Tips with Josh Foster - Turn Shape

文章 snowbender » 週日 2月 12, 2017 12:17 am

pku 寫:The reality is you ski ugly, awesome is a word that never apply to your skiing
Of cause, your “ugly mind” remains yours, and your ugly mind may not know what “awesome” is.
How long a FIS racer finish a course, not much more than 50 second. Your clip is long and boring because you are not actually skiing down You are shopping around.
We were not in the FIS racing, and our clips were “recording,” not “movie,” so it is all “real.” What you call “shopping around,” we call it, “ski the equal gradient lines,” you probably don’t even know what it is.
I ski very smoothly everywhere that's not steep. I ski quite smooth even on steep. That lady is skiing one turn and then another turn. The connection between turns is not good and also she turn too rush, cannot connect the energy from one turn to another. Outcome is, she ski very slow.
That’s what you say, not what I see; no need to brag, we would find out the truth soon enough.
snowbender 寫:Yes, I enjoy the thrills of “speed,” bumps and moguls field don’t generate that kind of speed. And at my age I cannot affort a misshap, so on the difficult terrain I always ski like “如臨深淵,如履博冰”;Kamikaze style skiing is neither skillful nor good.

Skiing flat terrain fast is easy, good for low level skiers who cannot ski fast on steeper runs

Skiing bumps fast need very accurate timing and very good balance. These two thing for sure is not in your skiing
Not sure if you got those ideas right, Taichi Skiing, ski like water flows, is always find an easy way out, so the skier can use minimum resource to achieve a maximum result. You ski too hard for your macho images, you’ve missed all the elegant and graceful skiing.

Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: free skiing - YouTube


You are shopping around on bumps, try to find a easy spot to turn.
What you call “shopping around,” I call it “long radius turn,” or GS turn on bumps, see if you can do that on a bump hill.

Whitecrane Skiing: Canyon Express to Patsy’s, via Waterfall, Heavenly - YouTube


When I talked to my friend who ski Heavenly almost every weekend about olympic downdill, he said it's too flat and it's too easy to ski fast on flat. No meaning, waste time.
Maybe just you and your have a boring/narrow view on skiing? Olympic Downhill is so called is because the first world cup downhill race was held there; of course, some gappers always think that they are better then the world cuppers.

回覆文章