為什麼滑 mogul 要彈得這麼高?

[ams]

這 mogul 以大師的標準也不過是大一點的寶寶 mogul 罷? 明明可以輕描淡寫的下去, 為何他要這樣彈來彈去的滑? 這樣滑有什麼好處? 要速度, 要好看, 要穩定, 還是在示範高級技術? 還望有識之仕賜教.

YouTube- Bumps

[norman]

這 mogul 以大師的標準也不過是大一點的寶寶 mogul 罷? 明明可以輕描淡寫的下去, 為何他要這樣彈來彈去的滑? 這樣滑有什麼好處? 要速度, 要好看, 要穩定, 還是在示範高級技術? 還望有識之仕賜教.

YouTube- Bumps

這個應該是中型饅頭，溝也比較深，饅頭也比較密。

[pku]

這 mogul 以大師的標準也不過是大一點的寶寶 mogul 罷? 明明可以輕描淡寫的下去, 為何他要這樣彈來彈去的滑? 這樣滑有什麼好處? 要速度, 要好看, 要穩定, 還是在示範高級技術? 還望有識之仕賜教.

YouTube- Bumps

This clip is from Kawasaki and the guy is a CSIA level 4

The reason he 彈來彈去 is because the timing and the absorption is not perfect ( because the speed is quite fast ) but he recover very good although Taichiski doesn't like his skiing.
For me, he ski very aggressive.

[pku]

這 mogul 以大師的標準也不過是大一點的寶寶 mogul 罷? 明明可以輕描淡寫的下去, 為何他要這樣彈來彈去的滑? 這樣滑有什麼好處? 要速度, 要好看, 要穩定, 還是在示範高級技術? 還望有識之仕賜教.

YouTube- Bumps

This clip is from Kawasaki and the guy is a CSIA level 4

The reason he 彈來彈去 is because the timing and the absorption is not perfect ( because the speed is quite fast ) but he recover very good although Taichiski doesn't like his skiing.
For me, he ski very aggressive.

His skis are much closer than yours ( A narrower stance is much better on bumps and demo short turn )

[ams]

這個應該是中型饅頭，溝也比較深，饅頭也比較密。

大師, 饅頭密才好滑, 我在 cardrona 遇到的就是太疏, 到應該轉彎的時候還沒到下一個溝, 我一等便失了上一彎的 momentum. 這樣便是我失控的原因.

pku - 那為什麼他不乾滑溝? 這樣便不用經過 mogul 頂與溝的高低問題, 便不用 absorpt 什麼的. 至於我的 stand width, 我只是習慣, 我能單腳滑, 要什麼 stand width 都應該不難吧? 但跟大師一樣, 可能要再習慣一段短時間.

[norman]

大師, 饅頭密才好滑, 我在 cardrona 遇到的就是太疏, 到應該轉彎的時候還沒到下一個溝, 我一等便失了上一彎的 momentum. 這樣便是我失控的原因.

喔，那您需要練能隨心所欲就能要彎大就彎大，馬上要彎小就小，這樣會不會比較好呢？


另外，我說您不能練我的東西，並不是貶低您的意思，而是我有三點動作您做不到，而您又不願放棄現在所學的東西，這樣練出來後會有問題的，不但沒效果，進展也有限，反而會讓您覺得不划算。

[taichiskiing]

This clip is from Kawasaki and the guy is a CSIA level 4

The reason he 彈來彈去 is because the timing and the absorption is not perfect ( because the speed is quite fast ) but he recover very good although Taichiski doesn't like his skiing.
For me, he ski very aggressive.

I didn't say that I didn't like his skiing but the demo he showed. He was exaggerate the absorption movements so his timing was a little bit off, so he lost his momentum and recovered with a Christie stance. No biggy, but I would just hop over with a parallel stance at that incidence. Nevertheless, he recovered so his skiing still good; if he can "tune down" his aggressiveness a bit to stabilize his flow/rhythm, he can do even better.

His skis are much closer than yours ( A narrower stance is much better on bumps and demo short turn )

Yes, a narrow stance, so the skis are always in "equal" footing, is essential for mogul skiing.

:)
IS

[pku]

大師, 饅頭密才好滑, 我在 cardrona 遇到的就是太疏, 到應該轉彎的時候還沒到下一個溝, 我一等便失了上一彎的 momentum. 這樣便是我失控的原因.

pku - 那為什麼他不乾滑溝? 這樣便不用經過 mogul 頂與溝的高低問題, 便不用 absorpt 什麼的. 至於我的 stand width, 我只是習慣, 我能單腳滑, 要什麼 stand width 都應該不難吧? 但跟大師一樣, 可能要再習慣一段短時間.

CSIA doesn't always ski trough since speed will be very fast (They are ski teacher for normal skier, not competitor.) The bumps in Canada doesn't the same like competion moguls field

[ams]

CSIA doesn't always ski trough since speed will be very fast (They are ski teacher for normal skier, not competitor.) The bumps in Canada doesn't the same like competion moguls field

I cant agree with that as you can see from my video i was not very fast compare to the bumping up and down ski intructor in the same run. However I do know that there are very fast zipper line world cup mogul skiing method, which is not within the reach of recreational skier. I also attempted competition mogul in niseko. so i can tell the difference. what i m looking at is why not ski the zipper with a slow method the way i m exploring? pls dont take that the i m preaching my method of skiing, i just put out two facts and try to find the answer, its my way of learning.

YouTube- tpl_mg1.MP4

vs
YouTube- instructor demoing to his students in cononet

which one is slower?

[norman]

YouTube- tpl_mg1.MP4
vs
YouTube- instructor demoing to his students in cononet
which one is slower?

您想知道差別在哪裏嗎？

剛好我今天能回答您，與太極兄同一句話(這是我現在才明白他在指什麼)。

您的轉彎沒有力量，所以無法加速。

[ams]

您想知道差別在哪裏嗎？

剛好我今天能回答您，..

您的轉彎沒有力量，所以無法加速。

大師, 現在目的是慢啊

[norman]

大師, 現在目的是慢啊

看不懂您的意思，是要慢還是要快？

您不是在說您的速度比那教練慢嗎？

[ams]

看不懂您的意思，是要慢還是要快？

您不是在說您的速度比那教練慢嗎？

大師有看我這話目的嗎? 我是回 pku 兄的話: CSIA doesn't always ski trough since speed will be very fast

這是為何呢? 我是要證明滑坑不一定會比 xxia 方法快.

[pku]

I cant agree with that as you can see from my video i was not very fast compare to the bumping up and down ski intructor in the same run. However I do know that there are very fast zipper line world cup mogul skiing method, which is not within the reach of recreational skier. I also attempted competition mogul in niseko. so i can tell the difference. what i m looking at is why not ski the zipper with a slow method the way i m exploring? pls dont take that the i m preaching my method of skiing, i just put out two facts and try to find the answer, its my way of learning.

YouTube- tpl_mg1.MP4
vs
YouTube- instructor demoing to his students in cononet
which one is slower?

CSIA promote round turn ( high C and low C )and the better one are, the faster he can ski. The guy aki like that we call performance skiing. The turn you make got too much sliding motion which is not consider good for CSIA. For skier need to ski down the slope, it doesn't really matter how you ski.

Have a look on the first 3 minutes of the following video and which guy ski better on the bumps ( there are 3 of them )

YouTube- Miyashita Masaki with WBSS

[ams]

謝謝 pku 兄回應, 但要比較的話最好是同雪況同雪道和程度不要相距太遠, 我已經是拿我不介意自己跟 cononet 的持牌教練比較, 但要跟 csia level 4 比是沒有意思的. 況且, 不同學派有不同標準, 你可試試拿他們的片放上 pmts, 可能會有意外收穫. 現在就先看看當地教練的慢鏡. 你看完之後歡迎再跟我的比較一下.
YouTube- P7151365.AVI

CSIA promote round turn ( high C and low C )... The turn you make got too much sliding motion which is not consider good for CSIA.

很高興你能說出 csia 的技術要求, 但拿我這些中途出家的跟他們大師級的比較是有點對大師們的不敬, 而且我今個 trip 的目的不是練圓彎, 而是練雪上飛和 pivoting 彎, 有點把原有的技術都練壞了, 等我下次 trip 再練幾個小時再拍一些合我現在水平的 pmts 和 trampoline turns 再拿我來說罷. 我現在以 pmts 的 harald harb 跟他們比較.

我所見的 csia 片中, 尤以 mogul 為甚, 全都沒有 highC 的, highC 都在空中發生, 這點可由雪粉突然在3,4點飛出來可以看到.
pmts 片中的 harald harb 有 highC, 因為除 neutral 外都有雪粉跟著板而飛出. 另外就是壓板情況, pmts 很早便壓好板, csia 的我也想找出來他們什麼時間應該壓好板, 怎樣壓板.
所以我不能同意你的意見說 csia 要求 round turns. 但小心, 我沒有說誰好誰不好啊.
YouTube- Carving lessons with Harald Harb, Short turn, Expert Free Skiing, video trailer for up coming DVD.

[norman]

我所見的 csia 片中, 尤以 mogul 為甚, 全都沒有 highC 的, highC 都在空中發生, 這點可由雪粉突然在3,4點飛出來可以看到.
pmts 片中的 harald harb 有 highC, 因為除 neutral 外都有雪粉跟著板而飛出. 另外就是壓板情況, pmts 很早便壓好板, csia 的我也想找出來他們什麼時間應該壓好板, 怎樣壓板.
所以我不能同意你的意見說 csia 要求 round turns. 但小心, 我沒有說誰好誰不好啊.
YouTube- Carving lessons with Harald Harb, Short turn, Expert Free Skiing, video trailer for up coming DVD.

如果您要學harald harb 的 highC，應該要好好用他的器材練，一定能練得出來，但您的動作上有些問題，這使您在練習上變成障礙。

我現在都知道他是如何滑了，相不相信等我練滿十個小時，就能用直排輪拍出跟他一模一樣的動作嗎？只是好的斜坡難找呀。

[pku]

謝謝 pku 兄回應, 但要比較的話最好是同雪況同雪道和程度不要相距太遠, 我已經是拿我不介意自己跟 cononet 的持牌教練比較, 但要跟 csia level 4 比是沒有意思的. 況且, 不同學派有不同標準, 你可試試拿他們的片放上 pmts, 可能會有意外收穫. 現在就先看看當地教練的慢鏡. 你看完之後歡迎再跟我的比較一下.
YouTube- P7151365.AVI



很高興你能說出 csia 的技術要求, 但拿我這些中途出家的跟他們大師級的比較是有點對大師們的不敬, 而且我今個 trip 的目的不是練圓彎, 而是練雪上飛和 pivoting 彎, 有點把原有的技術都練壞了, 等我下次 trip 再練幾個小時再拍一些合我現在水平的 pmts 和 trampoline turns 再拿我來說罷. 我現在以 pmts 的 harald harb 跟他們比較.

我所見的 csia 片中, 尤以 mogul 為甚, 全都沒有 highC 的, highC 都在空中發生, 這點可由雪粉突然在3,4點飛出來可以看到.
pmts 片中的 harald harb 有 highC, 因為除 neutral 外都有雪粉跟著板而飛出. 另外就是壓板情況, pmts 很早便壓好板, csia 的我也想找出來他們什麼時間應該壓好板, 怎樣壓板.
所以我不能同意你的意見說 csia 要求 round turns. 但小心, 我沒有說誰好誰不好啊.
YouTube- Carving lessons with Harald Harb, Short turn, Expert Free Skiing, video trailer for up coming DVD.

A "C" turn is a round turn. Just CSIA turn a bit more uphill to control more speed. I got some CSIA training so I know a bit what they want to see. Mogul competition skiing is a zipper line turn, it's not round And you won't see he C.

Miyashita is a 2 time Japan Techenical Ski Champian and came to Whistler taking the CSIA level 2 course so they took the video of their skiing together.

Between you and the instructor, there is not much sliding from the instructor and your sliding is very obvious. He finish the turn much quicker than you. As long as be able to get down the hill, who cares.

In order to ski like Harald Harb, CSIA or PSIA on bumps and short turn, you need to ski with a close stance and learn to ski with 2 foot together. Right now, you only use your outside ski to do the stuff. If just getting down the hill, than what I said is just 'bull shit '

[PSBoy]

Between you and the instructor, there is not much sliding from the instructor and your sliding is very obvious. He finish the turn much quicker than you.

Well said!

[ams]

現在我有點不明白了, 我認為是失控的片竟然被認為是那麼標準, 反過來說, wedge, fall inside, 大大張開腿, 失控等等都是可原諒的. pku 兄有 mogul 或 short turns 的片可先看看你的程度好讓我有個底知道你的技術討論的可信性嗎? 沒有你的要求我是不會公開意見的, 請放心.
YouTube- P7151365.AVI

另, 先想明白什麼叫 sliding, 為什麼一點點的 sliding 都是技術絕對錯誤才作討論.

[norman]

現在我有點不明白了, 我認為是失控的片竟然被認為是那麼標準, 反過來說, wedge, fall inside, 大大張開腿, 失控等等都是可原諒的. pku 兄有 mogul 或 short turns 的片可先看看你的程度好讓我有個底知道你的技術討論的可信性嗎? 沒有你的要求我是不會公開意見的, 請放心.
YouTube- P7151365.AVI
另, 先想明白什麼叫 sliding, 為什麼一點點的 sliding 都是技術絕對錯誤才作討論.

應該要看身體動作的正確性及用意，不是只有看雪板的作用性。

Sliding沒有錯(可控制側滑)，Skidding才有錯(不可控制側滑)。