為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

管他是好咖還是怪咖,只要是咖就能發言,有任何技術問題,在此討論就對啦。

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文章 pku » 週三 3月 30, 2011 2:33 am

taichiskiing 寫:
典型的小知小人,曉得勸人求學向善來表示自己是好人、有學問,而自己又不會也不學,所以勸人的目的也只是「估名釣譽」,「鄉愿」是也。

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That's why your skiing didn't improve



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#122 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

文章 skier888 » 週三 3月 30, 2011 8:34 am

lelo 寫:我覺的直排輪還是頂有幫助的,只是必須以特定方法練習,你看人家也是用直排輪在練習
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另外關於我 knee 那個答案,我到那個討論串回 ....
你放的影片只代表直排輪滑的好,並無法推論滑雪滑的好。我還沒聼過滑的好的人說直排輪有效。如果你同意 Quiz 的答案,那麽可以探討一下。如果不同意,那也不需要討論。

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文章 normanding » 週三 3月 30, 2011 8:48 am

pku 寫:If you ski on that run, you need to turn and stop so even she need longer turns to control, she still be way faster than you.

Speed is relative, if she want to compete with mogulist, for sure she can't even be close but with you, you will be only half way when she arrived at the bottom. Stop take some rest and go take a lot of time.
如果你指的像影片這樣的速度的話,如果我不用練習的速度慢慢下山,你說的這個是不可能的,我的真實速度沒這麼慢,這點我還是很肯定的。

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#124 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

文章 skier888 » 週三 3月 30, 2011 10:42 am

Observer 寫:"我還沒聼過滑的好的人說直排輪有效"

Some good recreational skiers do practice with in-line skates during off-season and found it to be useful.
The keyword is "滑的好". Do they 滑的好? This can be subjective as well.

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文章 Observer » 週三 3月 30, 2011 12:28 pm

skier888 寫:The keyword is "滑的好". Do they 滑的好? This can be subjective as well.
Actually I deleted my posting before you answered knowing that it is difficult to prove.

I believe ams practiced extensively with inline skating.

PMTS encourages using inline skates to practice:

http://www.harbskisystems.com/skateindex.htm

Of course using 'Harb Carvers' may even be better.

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文章 skier888 » 週三 3月 30, 2011 1:05 pm

Observer 寫:Actually I deleted my posting before you answered knowing that it is difficult to prove.

I believe ams practiced extensively with inline skating.

PMTS encourages using inline skates to practice:

http://www.harbskisystems.com/skateindex.htm

Of course using 'Harb Carvers' may even be better.
I did retract my reply to other deleted post.

It is not inline skate. It is designed to simulate ski edges so one can use ankle to tip and it feels like balance on edge. That is something inline skate is missing. Look at videos and you will see significant upper body movements and erratic footwork for people who promote inline skates practice. This maybe because they can't use their feet effectively so additional movements have to be introduced. Basically something is taken away so it has to be compensated by other means. Eventually, these unnecessary movements have to be unlearned in order to progress further. So it begs the question whey practice something that has to be unlearned later.

Does high end skiing use rotation. It does and is integral part of skiing in what I know. It is just being done differently.

Sure, one can ski anyway one wants. Is it good skiing? I will believe it when I see it. I like to argue with norman because he is so out there. For others, I will try find common points and provide some info I know but I try to not debate things that are subjective.

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文章 snowrider » 週三 3月 30, 2011 1:09 pm

Observer 寫:Actually I deleted my posting before you answered knowing that it is difficult to prove.

I believe ams practiced extensively with inline skating.

PMTS encourages using inline skates to practice:

http://www.harbskisystems.com/skateindex.htm

Of course using 'Harb Carvers' may even be better.
Nice! I just googled the "Harb Carvers" and found it seemed to able to simulate skis. Do you know where I can get that "Harb Carvers"?

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文章 Observer » 週三 3月 30, 2011 5:50 pm

snowrider 寫:Nice! I just googled the "Harb Carvers" and found it seemed to able to simulate skis. Do you know where I can get that "Harb Carvers"?
Hehe...you don't need to google "harb carvers", there is a link in the web page that I quoted. Anyway here it is:

http://www.harbskisystems.com/carver.htm

There are "models" and "shop on line"

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文章 Observer » 週三 3月 30, 2011 6:44 pm

skier888 寫: .... Look at videos and you will see significant upper body movements and erratic footwork for people who promote inline skates practice. This maybe because they can't use their feet effectively so additional movements have to be introduced....
I guess it boils down to whether one practices correctly. Even with skis on snow, it can be practiced incorrectly.

If you look at all the montages (4 each for Novice, Intermediate and Advanced) presented by Harold Harb, I think they will not ingrain bad habits.

http://www.harbskisystems.com/skateindex.htm

Of course with the Harb Carvers, simulation of ski movements should be even better.

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文章 taichiskiing » 週三 3月 30, 2011 9:47 pm

pku 寫:小知小人 is talking himself

That's why your skiing didn't improve
Yup, you are talking about your Whistler group, shameless, given that you're stuck on your mediocre bump skiing, cannot do trees, cannot do powder, nor do the double diamond (those combinations show a pretty pathetic skiing even by your CSIA standard), and at L1 you think your skiing is improving? 對,小知小人不要臉的見解。

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文章 snowrider » 週三 3月 30, 2011 10:06 pm

Observer 寫:Hehe...you don't need to google "harb carvers", there is a link in the web page that I quoted. Anyway here it is:

http://www.harbskisystems.com/carver.htm

There are "models" and "shop on line"
Thanks for sharing. That looks like a good dry land training tool. Have you got a chance to try that?

One thing that I worry about is that the user cannot practice pivot slip on wheels.

Is there anyone on this forum or HK forum has tried that Harb Carvers before?

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文章 taichiskiing » 週三 3月 30, 2011 10:23 pm

skier888 寫:Money is relative. To you is big but to me may be nothing. Sure, I spend a lot money to places with form pit, air bag to be on the safety side. I guess you would rather pay medical bill. I spend money to improve progress because I don't want to waste time. Time is money to me too. I guess your time is free so you can can take your time to learn and still only ski easy runs after all the time you have spent on the hill :face (334):
Actually, you don't even know that you've wasted your time by standing on the top of Palisades watch people jump off the cliff and pretending that you are some kind of hotshot skiers, how many times that you have actually skied down that cliff? Do you do mogul? No? maybe you just spend money with no return? Given the tree run you've shown, you have been had. (I'd post it for the comparsion, but cannot find the link.)

When you cannot do the easy runs I did, shame is on you.

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文章 beg » 週四 3月 31, 2011 2:43 am

taichiskiing 寫:Guess your little knowledge doesn't shed the light for you. Where did you say you've spent "big money" to learn skiing from?

典型的小知小人,曉得勸人求學向善來表示自己是好人、有學問,而自己又不會也不學,所以勸人的目的也只是「估名釣譽」,「鄉愿」是也。



Yup, we have been this block many many times already. You have never learned.

:)
IS
根據太極好好的標準、張三豐也不是ー个好人。是「估名釣譽」,「鄉愿」是也。 :fm (38): :fm (38): :fm (38):

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文章 beg » 週四 3月 31, 2011 2:46 am

taichiskiing 寫:Actually, you don't even know that you've wasted your time by standing on the top of Palisades watch people jump off the cliff and pretending that you are some kind of hotshot skiers, how many times that you have actually skied down that cliff? Do you do mogul? No? maybe you just spend money with no return? Given the tree run you've shown, you have been had. (I'd post it for the comparsion, but cannot find the link.)

When you cannot do the easy runs I did, shame is on you.

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: Galaxy to Northbowl, Heavenly


:)
IS
Now I understand why you don't want ski with dick. :face (334): :face (334): :face (334):
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文章 lelo » 週四 3月 31, 2011 3:12 am

skier888 寫:你放的影片只代表直排輪滑的好,並無法推論滑雪滑的好。我還沒聼過滑的好的人說直排輪有效。如果你同意 Quiz 的答案,那麽可以探討一下。如果不同意,那也不需要討論。
說不上同不同意,我是根本沒搞懂腳踝包在雪靴裡要怎麼動作?通常這種事我是放在待了解分類項下,HH 的 phanton move 也是放在這個分類項下的 ...

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文章 lelo » 週四 3月 31, 2011 3:15 am

snowrider 寫:Thanks for sharing. That looks like a good dry land training tool. Have you got a chance to try that?

One thing that I worry about is that the user cannot practice pivot slip on wheels.

Is there anyone on this forum or HK forum has tried that Harb Carvers before?
carver 說他用過,也貼過影片,不過後來他也改用直排輪,說是較易於攜帶 ....

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文章 snowrider » 週四 3月 31, 2011 4:59 am

lelo 寫:carver 說他用過,也貼過影片,不過後來他也改用直排輪,說是較易於攜帶 ....
Lelo - Thanks!

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#138 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

文章 skier888 » 週四 3月 31, 2011 9:34 am

lelo 寫:說不上同不同意,我是根本沒搞懂腳踝包在雪靴裡要怎麼動作?通常這種事我是放在待了解分類項下,HH 的 phanton move 也是放在這個分類項下的 ...
lelo 寫:skier888 兄大概是認為我這一題選 B 很沒 sense,才會介紹我看 essential 的書,我把我為什麼選 B 說一說 ...

我滑雪時腳跟不著地的,完全用脛骨在控制雪靴(可能不是"完全",但在朝這個目標邁進)。所以 ankle 是完全沒作用的,他們說要用 ankle 我就搞不清楚怎麼回事了 ...

既然是用脛骨在控制雪靴,能動的當然只有膝蓋,所以我就選 B 了!
看來腳在雪靴還是可以動作 :face (328):

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#139 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?

文章 skier888 » 週四 3月 31, 2011 9:52 am

taichiskiing 寫:Actually, you don't even know that you've wasted your time by standing on the top of Palisades watch people jump off the cliff and pretending that you are some kind of hotshot skiers, how many times that you have actually skied down that cliff? Do you do mogul? No? maybe you just spend money with no return? Given the tree run you've shown, you have been had. (I'd post it for the comparsion, but cannot find the link.)

When you cannot do the easy runs I did, shame is on you.

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: Galaxy to Northbowl, Heavenly


:)
IS

Don't be jealous. I know you wish you can do it :face (52):

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文章 beg » 週四 3月 31, 2011 11:49 am

skier888 寫:Don't be jealous. I know you wish you can do it :face (52):
I am sure his PSIA L4 friend can do it. :face (334): :face (334): :face (334):

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