beg 寫:Sure, let's bet us$10,000. We both put $5'000 deposit. Loser pay the ticket, let' do it.
All mountain skier except mogul大師
In window of the world all peoples know you are the carving king there, for sure I'll lose
taichiskiing 寫:You've got that right. I rate good wedge skiing as a good foundation for skiing; slow but stable, wedge is a very good technique for the beginners to learn skiing on, however, the same advantage turns into intermediate skiers' "bottle neck," and becomes 小知小人的 "holy grail" for bashing on the net. Why it is a non-issue? You only need one ski to turn, so, if the outside ski/dominated ski has proper turning force on it, and the inside ski has no interfering force to prevend it turns, the turn will turn well, even with a wedge stance. So, skiing with wedge is not a technical problem, but appearance one, it doesn't look good. Nevertheless, that's only little knowledge's mentality, and real skiers enjoy the skiing with it,
Your problem lies in that you claim turn skiing is inferior but you are using low level turn skiing technique. I agree that your stemming turn is done well.
#23 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週一 3月 21, 2011 10:58 pm
由 skier888
Observer 寫:B2L2 has a very good point.
Everyone pointing at Dan's MA with a slight wedge at times is "barking up the wrong tree"
which is very technical and with quite some arguments. Wedge is a "non-issue"
I think most people don't see the wedge, including me until the screen capture. We saw something else but that is related to what the way he is trying to ski. I still don't know if the still show wedge.
#24 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週一 3月 21, 2011 11:16 pm
由 Observer
skier888 寫:I think most people don't see the wedge, including me until the screen capture. We saw something else but that is related to what the way he is trying to ski. I still don't know if the still show wedge.
Good observation. You are right !
After carefully looking at the still capture. His skis are quite 'parallel' but his legs has quite an "A" frame, meaning that the skis are not edged equally at the same time (one knee move towards the slope much more than the other). This gave the illusion of him wedging.
But anyway he has other 'problems' as discussed in the forum. Unless he corrects his stance problem and also being very good in the moguls, he would not pass the CSIA L3.
#25 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週一 3月 21, 2011 11:39 pm
由 taichiskiing
skier888 寫:Your problem lies in that you claim turn skiing is inferior but you are using low level turn skiing technique. I agree that your stemming turn is done well.
After carefully looking at the still capture. His skis are quite 'parallel' but his legs has quite an "A" frame, meaning that the skis are not edged equally at the same time (one knee move towards the slope much more than the other). This gave the illusion of him wedging.
But anyway he has other 'problems' as discussed in the forum. Unless he corrects his stance problem and also being very good in the moguls, he would not pass the CSIA L3.
I come across Dan in the PDP yesterday. He's on his blue jacket and I confirmed with him he the the one in the epic forum. Honestly his skiing is not bad but also not very good. I don't think he'll pass L3. The thing I heard from Otto Kamstra about Dan's skiing is he's like stopping at the end of the turn whisch is more obvious in the video when he' on his red jacket. My wife said the same thing too.
That's why I can take money to teach since I can tell there is something wrong about one's skiing but I can't really nail it.
You need to understand CSIA L2 doesn't need fast skiing to pass. L3 need to ski faster but they need to turn fast and maintain the speed under control, not straight down the hill.
You big turn can't catch up with people using wedge straight down is because you skid too much when turning.
#28 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 12:52 am
由 lelo
pku 寫:You need to understand CSIA L2 doesn't need fast skiing to pass. L3 need to ski faster but they need to turn fast and maintain the speed under control, not straight down the hill.
You big turn can't catch up with people using wedge straight down is because you skid too much when turning.
Carver like to compete skiing fast with other people especially on the ski.com.tw
I said I can ski down from Whistler Round House to the village in 7 minutes and he post his video of his carving on a short and poportionally make calculation of his time need to do the same run like mine and boost he is faster.
When carver post this post because he saw and wedge happen in a CSIA L2 skiing and just want to tease CSIA guys. No one can freeski with 2 skis parallel at all time.
Ski 50 days and got level 1 is not hard. If you join the "YES" program on Whistler, one may get L2 in 60 days.
They are adults, not kids any more.
Norman skied only 60 days. I think he can pass CSIA L1 without much problem. But the thing is he thinks he can ski like a CSIA L4 once he skied 10 days more.
#33 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 5:30 am
由 pku
taichiskiing 寫:You've got that right. I rate good wedge skiing as a good foundation for skiing; slow but stable, wedge is a very good technique for the beginners to learn skiing on, however, the same advantage turns into intermediate skiers' "bottle neck," and becomes 小知小人的 "holy grail" for bashing on the net. Why it is a non-issue? You only need one ski to turn, so, if the outside ski/dominated ski has proper turning force on it, and the inside ski has no interfering force to prevend it turns, the turn will turn well, even with a wedge stance. So, skiing with wedge is not a technical problem, but appearance one, it doesn't look good. Nevertheless, that's only little knowledge's mentality, and real skiers enjoy the skiing with it,
Good skiing is about efficient turning, less energy loss, fast skiing. Wedge turn is not efficient and is the lower level of skiing. Just to ski with both ski turning the same time with the same amount is almost imposssible.
Wedge turn, stem stun, basic parallel, advance paralle, basic short turn, advance short turn.
They are the progession.
Just live kinder garden, primary school, secondary school, high school, college, Master , PHD.
One can be happy for finishing primary school and star working. Just don't saypeople keep student is stupid.
You only know how to tranverse and your skiing is so slow but boosting it as high end skiing.
One can pass L1 if one skis well enough, but for L2 and up, one needs to be quite good in 'detection and correction'. Many fail L2 though they ski very well, but they fail the 'teaching' part.
Also there is a big jump in requirements from L1 to L2, and from L2 to L3
#35 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 5:56 am
由 Observer
pku 寫: The thing I heard from Otto Kamstra about Dan's skiing is he's like stopping at the end of the turn whisch is more obvious in the video when he' on his red jacket. My wife said the same thing too.
Hmm... "stopping at the end of the turn" ? It is not obvious to me in either videos.
To me, in these 2 'short turn' videos he is merely controlling speed between transition. Perhaps in his other skiing, it is more obvious.
So Otto Kamstra is still around, and what is his position these days -- still Ski School Director?
#36 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 6:31 am
由 pku
Observer 寫:Hmm... "stopping at the end of the turn" ? It is not obvious to me in either videos.
To me, in these 2 'short turn' videos he is merely controlling speed between transition. Perhaps in his other skiing, it is more obvious.
So Otto Kamstra is still around, and what is his position these days -- still Ski School Director?
Dan is adding a bit edge to finish his turn to get the skis back uphill almost like a stop to slow down ( not a smooth ride ).
First time ski with him, his short turns is very constant on all condition we skied yesterday. His short turn is at least 2 level higher than the other CSIA L4 in oanother PDP on Feb.
He is the Technical director on Whistler and chairman of CSIA board of
director ( that's what he told me )
#37 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 6:40 am
由 Observer
pku 寫: First time ski with him, his short turns is very constant on all condition we skied yesterday. His short turn is at least 2 level higher than the other CSIA L4 in oanother PDP on Feb.
When you said 'him' and 'he', it was a bit confusing. Of course you meant Otto and not Dan.
But 2 levels higher than the other CSIA L4?
#38 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 7:01 am
由 pku
Observer 寫:When you said 'him' and 'he', it was a bit confusing. Of course you meant Otto and not Dan.
But 2 levels higher than the other CSIA L4?
Otto's skiing level ( short turns ), not his certification level,
certification level ( L4 examiner and L4 )
skiing level: 高兩班 than the other L4 Ryan
#39 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 7:07 am
由 lelo
beg 寫:比什麼也可以，只耍 all mountain skier except mogul 大師不歸縮就行
這好像不太對，要比的是你，應該由你提出一個公平且能驗證技術的方法，否則依照 norman 的標準，他要比的是優雅，你要不要跟 norman 比？
#40 回覆: 為什麼 wedge 不好? 有什麼不好?
發表於 : 週二 3月 22, 2011 7:10 am
由 Observer
pku 寫:Otto's skiing level ( short turns ), not his certification level,
certification level ( L4 examiner and L4 )
skiing level: 高兩班 than the other L4 Ryan
I know you meant 高兩班 in his technique. But most L4 are very good already--高兩班 is a bit of exaggeration, No?
