Observer 寫:I had HH's first VHS video tape, yes tape, that came out years ago, "Anyone can be a Expert Skier". I have been trying to learn the PMTS way though I was trained the CSIA way. I have all HH's DVDs.

Some of you may not know that PMTS is at odds with the PSIA (EpicSki). The basic criticism from HH is the 'wedge' or snowplow and the, what he called the dreaded, up un-weigh motion (essentially, PSIA and CSIA are similar.)

PMTS promotes the phantom move, TFR (two footed release), brush carve...

Instead of a long drawn discussion, let me summarize what I feel about PMTS:

Basically, it is for advanced skiers, for racing, and it takes speed. Should be good for pku

I have 'gone back' to the CSIA way basically, because I ski 'slow'

TFR is not fast, correct or not? What it does is to challenge your thinking on what is your center. Remember you need to have the tips move down hill first. It also challenges you to not make involuntary (rotary) movements. You only have slight counter in the beginning to work with. You have to be at the right spot and the spot sometimes is scary of unnatural if you have never been on it. Most of all, it takes concentration. You can’t do it relax mentally.

It is hard to learn PMTS correctly from the books and videos alone. One reason is most people ignore the easiest (understanding) exercise. Ask yourself, have you tried ball control exercise? The other reason is that it requires good alignment. There are movements that you simply can’t do if you don’t have good alignment. You will doubt yourself or the method when that happens.

If you can’t do phantom javelin, try to learn it. It is a simple exercise. It will really improve your skiing and may even reveal things you don’t know about yourself physically. You don’t have to learn the whole package to get benefit.

Observer 寫:I had HH's first VHS video tape, yes tape, that came out years ago, "Anyone can be a Expert Skier". I have been trying to learn the PMTS way though I was trained the CSIA way. I have all HH's DVDs.

Some of you may not know that PMTS is at odds with the PSIA (EpicSki). The basic criticism from HH is the 'wedge' or snowplow and the, what he called the dreaded, up un-weigh motion (essentially, PSIA and CSIA are similar.)

PMTS promotes the phantom move, TFR (two footed release), brush carve...

Instead of a long drawn discussion, let me summarize what I feel about PMTS:

Basically, it is for advanced skiers, for racing, and it takes speed. Should be good for pku

I have 'gone back' to the CSIA way basically, because I ski 'slow'

Too much upper body up down movement is not good on bumps. The Japan moguls is too hard for the body but the bumps on North America is much more forgiving. Just you still haven't try to ski with us.

The video I post should be a CSIA level 4 according to what he wears and the links from- BCPRO

Try to plan to ski few days on Tahoe and you can also have a look on the high end skiing by taichiskiing.

skier888 寫:TFR is not fast, correct or not? What it does is to challenge your thinking on what is your center. Remember you need to have the tips move down hill first. It also challenges you to not make involuntary (rotary) movements. You only have slight counter in the beginning to work with. You have to be at the right spot and the spot sometimes is scary of unnatural if you have never been on it. Most of all, it takes concentration. You can’t do it relax mentally.

It is hard to learn PMTS correctly from the books and videos alone. One reason is most people ignore the easiest (understanding) exercise. Ask yourself, have you tried ball control exercise? The other reason is that it requires good alignment. There are movements that you simply can’t do if you don’t have good alignment. You will doubt yourself or the method when that happens.

If you can’t do phantom javelin, try to learn it. It is a simple exercise. It will really improve your skiing and may even reveal things you don’t know about yourself physically. You don’t have to learn the whole package to get benefit.

You must be very good skier. Try to PM you but you do not accept PM messages.

Just curious. Are you a PSIA L2 or L3 ?

Observer 寫:You must be very good skier. Try to PM you but you do not accept PM messages.

Just curious. Are you a PSIA L2 or L3 ?

I am not very good. That is an honest statement. It is not difficult to understand technique once you reach certain level of experience but it is entirely a different thing doing it.

skier888 寫:TFR is not fast, correct or not? ..........

Yes, 'TFR' is just a technique and need not be fast skiing. But, PMTS basically promotes carving turns, and that involves speed.

Just came back in February skiing in Courchevel, France, and the French ski instructor (French instructor license is one the most difficult to get) do not favour students to learn carving for all mountain skiing.

when I was doing a PDP with a CSIA L4 a few years back, the L4 also mentioned that CSIA do not teach carving any more unless requested by the students. CSIA leaves that to the CSCF (racing) branch.

Observer 寫:Yes, 'TFR' is just a technique and need not be fast skiing. But, PMTS basically promotes carving turns, and that involves speed.

Just came back in February skiing in Courchevel, France, and the French ski instructor (French instructor license is one the most difficult to get) do not favour students to learn carving for all mountain skiing.

when I was doing a PDP with a CSIA L4 a few years back, the L4 also mentioned that CSIA do not teach carving any more unless requested by the students. CSIA leaves that to the CSCF (racing) branch.

The question is the technique used for carving applicable in other situations?

pku 寫:Too much upper body up down movement is not good on bumps. The Japan moguls is too hard for the body but the bumps on North America is much more forgiving. Just you still haven't try to ski with us.

The video I post should be a CSIA level 4 according to what he wears and the links from- BCPRO

Try to plan to ski few days on Tahoe and you can also have a look on the high end skiing by taichiskiing.

Definitely, for moguls just need leg extension and absorption. Well, you are an expert on that.

But for 'slower' skiing and more difficult snow condition, extension is still useful. PMTS promotes tipping of the non-stance ski, and 'down un-weighing' in edge change.

Though I went to Courchevel to ski this winter, but, in general, these days I do not feel too enthusiastic to fly so far to come to Whistler or the U.S. to ski.

I don't mind extension as I am not an instructor. One does need to watch out don't let extension lock up your feet and then turn into a defensive movement i.e. braking. brake is ok but don't lock up. It happens to many skiers

skier888 寫:The question is the technique used for carving applicable in other situations?

What do you think, you tell me

Observer 寫: But for 'slower' skiing and more difficult snow condition, extension is still useful. PMTS promotes tipping of the non-stance ski, and 'down un-weighing' in edge change.

ha, speaking of devil. One can handle difficult situation well and beautifully if you master phantom javelin. It is more a challenge mentally.

Observer 寫:What do you think, you tell me

Carving is only an application of the technique. That does not mean the technique can be used only for carving.

PSIA national demo team captain Mike Rogan says that carving is the benchmark of good skiing. IMO, a good skier must know how to carve and shall be able to carve well. Of course, it does not mean that one can do that well is a good skier because there are more things other than carving.

For me, carving is fun on gentle slope but got too mcuh speed once the slope get steep and not very useful for all mountain skiing (bumps, trees, steep, non groomed ) since we need to control speed more.

snowrider 寫:PSIA national demo team captain Mike Rogan says that carving is the benchmark of good skiing. IMO, a good skier must know how to carve and shall be able to carve well. Of course, it does not mean that one can do that well is a good skier because there are more things other than carving.

More to that, quiet the whole body,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: flying crane, Ridge Run, Heavenly



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snowrider 寫:PSIA national demo team captain Mike Rogan says that carving is the benchmark of good skiing. IMO, a good skier must know how to carve and shall be able to carve well. Of course, it does not mean that one can do that well is a good skier because there are more things other than carving.

Do you know where is Mike Rogan?

taichiskiing 寫:More to that, quiet the whole body,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: flying crane, Ridge Run, Heavenly


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It's good to have a non-stink mouth Taichi here but I suggest you use the common concept when you discuss sking. They are talking about quiet upper body when linking turns. Your video is very quiet because you are not turning and you have unique butterfly hands.

taichiskiing 寫:More to that, quiet the whole body,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: flying crane, Ridge Run, Heavenly


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Man, it's quiet upper body with active lower body movement.

It looks better without your hands swinging like crazy but too bad you can't use your lower body joints.

skier888 寫:Do you know where is Mike Rogan?

Sorry, I don't know where he is. I learned his statement about carving as the benchmark from Skiing Magazine.

taichiskiing 寫:More to that, quiet the whole body,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: flying crane, Ridge Run, Heavenly


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Hold on ...
If a sker's whole body is quiet, who can s/he ski dynamically??? Another question is about your definition of "body". Does it mean the torso only? Or does it inlcude arms and legs?

skier888 寫:Do you know where is Mike Rogan?

I believe he is at the Heavenly Ski School --right where you are:

YouTube - Heavenly Ski School - Mike Rogan

Observer 寫:I believe he is at the Heavenly Ski School --right where you are:

YouTube - Heavenly Ski School - Mike Rogan

Lucky him he can learn high end sking by watching Taichi.