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#21 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 12:20 pm
snowrider
skier888 寫:問題是我沒辦法切呀

Flex and tip for bigger angles - YouTube
skier888 - 這是你去日本滑雪的片子嗎?

#22 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 12:21 pm
snowrider
skier888 - 這是你去日本滑雪的片子嗎?

#23 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 12:25 pm
pku
norman 寫:如標題,“rebound的感覺是假的”,就算是板子本身的反彈,基於自主收縮,也是應該感覺不到的。

你滑再快也是感覺不到,板子就算有反彈,力量也是固定的,如果現在用另一種板子本身是往下凹的,那就沒有板子反彈,是不是意指用了,也沒反彈力可用,滑不好是正常的?
你又白癡,又崇洋,只好找些用英語講什麼是Rebound ,只是你英文這麼差,真怕你又不知人家講什麼


http://www.skismarts.com/expertI/rebound_full.htm

Position a ski on edge on a carpet at 45 degrees and notice that only the tip and the tail touch the floor. While keeping it at that angle, press down on the ski where the binding is mounted--the middle of the ski bends away from you until the edge in the middle touches the carpet. Do this hard enough and the ski bends backwards into a "decambered" position. This is what happens when we make a turn on snow --the skis are edged and decambered.
When a ski is decambered, it is "coiled" like a compressed spring-loaded with energy. Release this energy and it bounces right back--we call it "rebound."

In our quest for efficiency, we should put this energy to use. Racers know how to put rebound to good use by releasing the stored energy in their skis when they're pointing down the flow line--release it there and the energy helps move the body across and down the hill, toward the next gate.

Wait for the rebound to happen after the skis have passed the flow line and you could end up being bounced up into the air--a no, no for efficiency. Recreational skiers normally handle rebound by letting the energy of the rebound flex the legs.

Always strive to decamber the skis as early as possible, making the snow spray early in the turn.
Work on getting the snow to spray with the skis pointing down the flow line. If the snow sprays down the hill, you are not putting enough energy into the ski before it enters the flow line. The snow should be spraying toward the sides of the slope.
If you are skiing on hardpack, listen to the sounds your skis are making. Most of the noise should be happening in the arc of the turn. The transition between turns should be relatively quiet.

#24 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 12:37 pm
skier888
snowrider 寫:skier888 - 這是你去日本滑雪的片子嗎?
那個人不是我,我也不認識他,好像是pku 還是norman先前貼的

#25 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 12:39 pm
skier888
pku 寫:你又白癡,又崇洋,只好找些用英語講什麼是Rebound ,只是你英文這麼差,真怕你又不知人家講什麼


http://www.skismarts.com/expertI/rebound_full.htm

Position a ski on edge on a carpet at 45 degrees and notice that only the tip and the tail touch the floor. While keeping it at that angle, press down on the ski where the binding is mounted--the middle of the ski bends away from you until the edge in the middle touches the carpet. Do this hard enough and the ski bends backwards into a "decambered" position. This is what happens when we make a turn on snow --the skis are edged and decambered.
When a ski is decambered, it is "coiled" like a compressed spring-loaded with energy. Release this energy and it bounces right back--we call it "rebound."

In our quest for efficiency, we should put this energy to use. Racers know how to put rebound to good use by releasing the stored energy in their skis when they're pointing down the flow line--release it there and the energy helps move the body across and down the hill, toward the next gate.

Wait for the rebound to happen after the skis have passed the flow line and you could end up being bounced up into the air--a no, no for efficiency. Recreational skiers normally handle rebound by letting the energy of the rebound flex the legs.

Always strive to decamber the skis as early as possible, making the snow spray early in the turn.
Work on getting the snow to spray with the skis pointing down the flow line. If the snow sprays down the hill, you are not putting enough energy into the ski before it enters the flow line. The snow should be spraying toward the sides of the slope.
If you are skiing on hardpack, listen to the sounds your skis are making. Most of the noise should be happening in the arc of the turn. The transition between turns should be relatively quiet.
大師滑雪只用到 1 1/2 D 所以根本不知道這是蛇嗎 :face (46):

#26 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 1:10 pm
skier888
This is a great skier
Dolphin Turns on Vimeo

#27 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 1:20 pm
snowrider
skier888 寫:那個人不是我,我也不認識他,好像是pku 還是norman先前貼的
skier888 寫:問題是我沒辦法切呀

Flex and tip for bigger angles - YouTube
這兩個 videos 哪個是 skier888 哪個是 norman 或 pku ?

#28 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 1:28 pm
skier888
snowrider 寫:這兩個 videos 哪個是 skier888 哪個是 norman 或 pku ?

Hakuba one started from this post

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... tcount=144

The skier in flex and release one is John, not me. He is on a Head Supershape KERS which surprised him at the time

#29 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 1:46 pm
snowrider
skier888 寫:Hakuba one started from this post

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... tcount=144

The skier in flex and release one is John, not me. He is on a Head Supershape KERS which surprised him at the time
OIC. So ... let's do some movement analysis on that guy. :face (325):

#30 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 1:53 pm
pku
snowrider 寫:OIC. So ... let's do some movement analysis on that guy. :face (325):
To me, his counter balance is a bit too much. By our term, his steering angle should be much less than what he's doing. He should face the direction of travel. My eyes are not so good so can't really comment too detail.

#31 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 2:03 pm
snowrider
pku 寫:To me, his counter balance is a bit too much. By our term, his steering angle should be much less than what he's doing. He should face the direction of travel. My eyes are not so good so can't really comment too detail.
pku - Since there are two videos in this thread, I don't know if we are looking at the same video ...

#32 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 2:08 pm
snowrider
Movement analysis on that 紅衣男 :face (46): :face (52):

#33 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 2:16 pm
beg
skier888 寫:Hakuba one started from this post

http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... tcount=144

The skier in flex and release one is John, not me. He is on a Head Supershape KERS which surprised him at the time
:face (325): :face (325): :face (325):

#34 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 6:08 pm
norman
skier888 寫:This is a great skier
Dolphin Turns on Vimeo
你認為他有應用到板子的反彈力? :face (46):

#35 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 10:34 pm
skier888
norman 寫:你認為他有應用到板子的反彈力? :face (46):
你認為他是用跳的 :face (46):

#36 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 10:36 pm
snowrider
snowrider 寫:Movement analysis on that 紅衣男 :face (46): :face (52):
http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... stcount=32

這個紅衣男為何會跌一大跤? 雖然他滑的遠比弱慢大師好 但是因為他還是有弱慢大師的嚴重缺點: up-and-down 般的 pop 並且加上他的後座問題 所以造成內側板 locked 而無法 release
:face (51): :face (343): :face (341):

#37 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 10:52 pm
skier888
snowrider 寫:http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... stcount=32

這個紅衣男為何會跌一大跤? 雖然他滑的遠比弱慢大師好 但是因為他還是有弱慢大師的嚴重缺點: up-and-down 般的 pop 並且加上他的後座問題 所以造成內側板 locked 而無法 release
:face (51): :face (343): :face (341):
He lives in bay area and is a very good skier. The real reason he falls is because he did not want to risk hitting the tower. More about your MA after master replies :face (47):

#38 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 10:55 pm
norman
skier888 寫:你認為他是用跳的 :face (46):
我不認為他用跳的,但你認為他有應用到rebound嗎? :face (341):

#39 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 11:07 pm
skier888
norman 寫:我不認為他用跳的,但你認為他有應用到rebound嗎? :face (341):
你認爲他沒有嗎 :face (46):

#40 回覆: rebound的感覺是假的

發表於 : 週四 4月 26, 2012 11:09 pm
norman
snowrider 寫:http://www.goski.com.tw/forum/showpost. ... stcount=32

這個紅衣男為何會跌一大跤? 雖然他滑的遠比弱慢大師好 但是因為他還是有弱慢大師的嚴重缺點: up-and-down 般的 pop 並且加上他的後座問題 所以造成內側板 locked 而無法 release
:face (51): :face (343): :face (341):
我不認為他的問題是你說的這些,他只是上半身保持不夠正向穩定而已。

你也可以評下面這段是不是也up-and-down 般的 pop了?

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