#21 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 12:29 pm
由 pku
skier888 寫:That is another difference, HH does not extend the way you think. He lets his leg getslong, and "recreating pressure" or push is a no-no.
I admire Canadian skiing.
That's actually the same, The result is getting the legs long. If you don't extned the joints, how can one get the legs long. We can also omit the term push, and said lengthen the legs, extending the legs, open up your lower joints. What is important is to get the legs long.
It's all the terms he is try to make himself special. The most important things is the outcome. Not the term you are using.
#22 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 12:29 pm
由 beg
skier888 寫:That is another difference, HH does not extend the way you think. He lets his leg getslong, and "recreating pressure" or push is a no-no.
I admire Canadian skiing.
I think that is just differnt way to express the concept of pressure control.
#23 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 12:34 pm
由 skier888
pku 寫:
That's actually the same, The result is getting the legs long. If you don't extned the joints, how can one get the legs long. We can also omit the term push, and said lengthen the legs, extending the legs, open up your lower joints. What is important is to get the legs long.
It's all the terms he is try to make himself special. The most important things is the outcome. Not the term you are using.
Lets not argue about this. You are trying to understand it the way you are taught. It is meaningless.
#24 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 12:38 pm
由 pku
skier888 寫:Lets not argue about this. You are trying to understand it the way you are taught. It is meaningless.
I also get my legs long before the fallline. Of course my balance and timing is off a bit.
Since we were taught by different people and they won't be stuck in one term. It's more like the outcome they won't to see.
#25 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 12:46 pm
由 skier888
pku 寫:
I also get my legs long before the fallline. Of course my balance and timing is off a bit.
Since we were taught by different people and they won't be stuck in one term. It's more like the outcome they won't to see.
I told you what is different, thn you said lets remove that because outcome is the same. Sure, use your logic, I can also say the outcome is skiing so all systems are the same
#26 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週一 4月 01, 2013 1:03 pm
由 pku
skier888 寫:I told you what is different, thn you said lets remove that because outcome is the same. Sure, use your logic, I can also say the outcome is skiing so all systems are the same
That's the terms we learn, lengthen the legs, use more joints movement, open up the joints, extending your legs. Different instructor use different terms.
The outcome is not the same, it depends. Listen to what the Canadian demo team coach said
#27 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週二 2月 11, 2014 3:51 am
由 Blake
I am not going to be around to discuss this any more than what I have to say here...
I just want to say that I clicked the video Norman posted and I saw Harold Harb's comments
and I couldn't agree with him more. After his association with the PSIA he basically decided
that what they teach is not good and he went to form something better. I do not agree with
everything Harb has to say but I believe that his instruction is better than the PSIA for the
simple fact that it is based on racing and comes from a racer that actually knows how to ski
in the race style which is based on function. Over the last few years that I have been online
I have been absolutely shocked at some of the things that the PSIA believe. A lot of it is
nothing that any Olympic level skier could ever or would ever take seriously. If you put PSIA
people in any competition of any kind with their style they would lose. Ski competitions are
designed to determine who are great skiers and they don't fail to do so. The people who believe
in the PSIA's instruction most are the people who will be most held back in their skiing ability
after they reach an advanced level. The PSIA is good for learning what I would consider to be
basics. In fact, I think that if their goal is to teach basic technique they definitely succeed...
the guys who think that the skiing that they teach is the best skiing out there are hurting our
sport.
On another subject... Sebastian Michel is really good.
#28 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週二 2月 11, 2014 9:51 am
由 taichiskiing
Blake 寫:I am not going to be around to discuss this any more than what I have to say here...
I just want to say that I clicked the video Norman posted and I saw Harold Harb's comments
and I couldn't agree with him more. After his association with the PSIA he basically decided
that what they teach is not good and he went to form something better. I do not agree with
everything Harb has to say but I believe that his instruction is better than the PSIA for the
simple fact that it is based on racing and comes from a racer that actually knows how to ski
in the race style which is based on function. Over the last few years that I have been online
I have been absolutely shocked at some of the things that the PSIA believe. A lot of it is
nothing that any Olympic level skier could ever or would ever take seriously. The PSIA people
do not know that they are a joke among all the best skiers, and if you put them is any
competition of any kind with their style they would lose. Ski competitions are designed to
determine who are great skiers and they don't fail to do so. The people who believe in the
PSIA's instruction most are the people who will be most held back in their skiing ability after
they reach an advanced level. The PSIA is good for learning what I would consider to be
basics. In fact I think that if their goal is to teach basic technique they definitely succeed...
the guys who think that the skiing that they teach is the best skiing out there are hurting
our sport.
Agree. I like HH's term "weighed release," I thought that was quite "novelty," but we "old-timers" just call it "down un-weighting." PSIA is more about a "teaching" system than "skiing" system. The goal of PSIA is to setup a system so that the students can transfer their "levels" of skills from mountain to mountain without much ado to assess their skill levels, which of course we know that doesn't work, but no matters, the students just have to take it longer to learn it, and the ski schools make more money, "skills?" who cares? Racing skills are not in their "normal" curriculum; nevertheless, if one follows the PSIA long enough, he or she will learn a good form of skiing, so PSIA works as well. Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)
On another subject... Sebastian Michel is really good.
Who is " Sebastian Michel "? Videos?
:)
IS
#29 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
taichiskiing 寫:Agree. I like HH's term "weighed release," I thought that was quite "novelty," but we "old-timers" just call it "down un-weighting." PSIA is more about a "teaching" system than "skiing" system. The goal of PSIA is to setup a system so that the students can transfer their "levels" of skills from mountain to mountain without much ado to assess their skill levels, which of course we know that doesn't work, but no matters, the students just have to take it longer to learn it, and the ski schools make more money, "skills?" who cares? Racing skills are not in their "normal" curriculum; nevertheless, if one follows the PSIA long enough, he or she will learn a good form of skiing, so PSIA works as well. Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)
Who is " Sebastian Michel "? Videos?
:)
IS
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#40 回覆: SKI Magazine director of instruction and PSIA Team Captain
發表於 : 週三 2月 12, 2014 8:22 am
由 Blake
taichiskiing:Nevertheless, there is higher form of skiing than both of
them—"No forms"—or "formless form," one must break its own form to get there. :)
This is exactly what one of the commentaries I am making is going to be about. One will be
a mogul commentary, the other will be a non-mogul commentary on what you said here. I'll
be referring to it as 'skiing in a natural style'.
