skier888 寫:這讓我想到幾年前發生的事情

有一位無師自通的廚師開牛排舘 請了一位很成功做牛排的外國廚師為顧問 廚師不同意外國顧問的建議而有爭執 於是廚師找了跑堂的小弟來投票決定 結果是 廚師+跑堂的小弟=2 外國顧問=1 廚師勝了 餐廳不久後也倒了

這比喻不錯，但事無絕對的。

十幾年前我爸曾找人一起股東一間餐廳，其中之一的股東是主廚，是30年以上的專業廚師，他做的菜是很有水準的，連王永在也帶人特地從台北來三重吃過，主廚也是採買，他是專家嘛，所以對食材挑選有一定的水準，可惜他會收回扣，而且收的很凶，我爸也是掙隻眼閉隻眼，對他有利是老闆也可以是員工，收小費對員工有利，他也會跟員工爭小費囉。

幾年後我爸決定退出(有幾點原因我爸看不下去了，不如退出省心又省事)，因為房東說要收回還要提高租金，房東是某任市長的兒子，他們認為在那地點開店一定賺錢，結果我爸退出讓出股份，連幾個好友一起退出，最後只剩那位大廚股東，然後與那房東合作繼續營業(還虧他爸跟我爸是好朋友)，其實這些事我爸早知道了，然後那間餐廳從我爸退出，營業額從需排隊等位置變馬上少一半，後來由兩樓變成剩下一樓，我爸在時，大廚一直不經我爸同意就一路漲價，我爸退出後，沒一年時間菜價就降到千元以下，現在還能守住不倒也只剩他們夫妻兩人撐著而已。

這大廚已開店兩次失敗兩次，所以這次沒退路了。

而我爸是真正外行人(其他兩三個股東也只是出錢而已，也沒經營過餐廳)，他只會吃及思考菜色變換行銷而已(大廚嫌麻煩，就我爸是外行人，不應該干涉廚師的菜色，沒資格提議見)，為何一個對餐飲界完全外行的人卻對一家餐廳有這麼大的影響？

所以您的比喻不是唯一的，任何事不是唯一的，什麼是外行，什麼是內行，只有成功的才算數，對吧？

所以這例子是說，內行人把外行人打倒趕出去了，餐廳營業額從三百萬降到不到一百萬，專業廚師還當過老闆的，很厲害呀。

pku 寫:I think the photo from Norman are good, try not to be too picky on others, I don't think I can ski like them in my life. Also the photos from skier888 are not bad too. Personally, I like the photos from Norman a bit more.

One photo can't determine how is better or faster. Since we are human, mistakes can't be avoid.

Just like our 掌門人, his form is not bad, his speed is quite fast but he is still far from perfect. Many things he still need to improve a lot but honestly, not many weekend skier can catch up with him. He skis around 30 days a year.

the skiers are rocca and ligety. I look up for the same year, rocca won WC championship while ligety won a olympic medal. it was said that liegety inclination come from his water skiing background

i think inclination could be fast but has more risk and will be less consistent overall. when a skier incline, he is locked in a position and wait for things to happen. if you watch WC, you will notice inclined skiers are more likely DNF in very slippery course. you can hear comment about "lean" or "inclination" from the commentator when skier DNF. one reason is when carving we actually relied on the side load of skis' edge. the so called "angulation" will produce higher edge angle and stronger side load. you can try it at home to see how you feel. if you get a bamboo stick to stand vertically and bend it to like a bow shape, you will find the bamboo dig in strongly by tension. if you just have the bamboo lean, it is very weak.

I am not in position to say who has better technique. i do think the different technique was used because it gave the skier the best result at that time, not because the technique was best. these pictures are also a few years old. the technique that is fasted for each may not be the same now

norman 寫:好見解。

大師，我們都知道你跟 beg 很相好，但是也太偏心了吧。同樣的話，pku 說，您的囘答就不同。您這張嘴真是見人說人話，見鬼說鬼話

norman 寫:動作正確的話，無論大小都是一樣的，只差在運用時機跟速度上而已，beg兄的解釋已經很清楚了。

那我用下面這兩張可以嗎？如果注意看的話，您會發現跟我原來貼的動作差異沒多少，兩隻腳都在edging，身體的折股動作有做出來到定位。

norman 寫:這比喻不錯，但事無絕對的。

十幾年前我爸曾找人一起股東一間餐廳，其中之一的股東是主廚，是30年以上的專業廚師，他做的菜是很有水準的，連王永在也帶人特地從台北來三重吃過，主廚也是採買，他是專家嘛，所以對食材挑選有一定的水準，可惜他會收回扣，而且收的很凶，我爸也是掙隻眼閉隻眼，對他有利是老闆也可以是員工，收小費對員工有利，他也會跟員工爭小費囉。

幾年後我爸決定退出(有幾點原因我爸看不下去了，不如退出省心又省事)，因為房東說要收回還要提高租金，房東是某任市長的兒子，他們認為在那地點開店一定賺錢，結果我爸退出讓出股份，連幾個好友一起退出，最後只剩那位大廚股東，然後與那房東合作繼續營業(還虧他爸跟我爸是好朋友)，其實這些事我爸早知道了，然後那間餐廳從我爸退出，營業額從需排隊等位置變馬上少一半，後來由兩樓變成剩下一樓，我爸在時，大廚一直不經我爸同意就一路漲價，我爸退出後，沒一年時間菜價就降到千元以下，現在還能守住不倒也只剩他們夫妻兩人撐著而已。

這大廚已開店兩次失敗兩次，所以這次沒退路了。

而我爸是真正外行人(其他兩三個股東也只是出錢而已，也沒經營過餐廳)，他只會吃及思考菜色變換行銷而已(大廚嫌麻煩，就我爸是外行人，不應該干涉廚師的菜色，沒資格提議見)，為何一個對餐飲界完全外行的人卻對一家餐廳有這麼大的影響？

所以您的比喻不是唯一的，任何事不是唯一的，什麼是外行，什麼是內行，只有成功的才算數，對吧？

所以這例子是說，內行人把外行人打倒趕出去了，餐廳營業額從三百萬降到不到一百萬，專業廚師還當過老闆的，很厲害呀。

你這比喻跟我說的沒關係吧。會做菜不見得會做生意。假如是做菜技巧意見不合，那才是我所要說的

skier888 寫:大師，我們都知道你跟 beg 很相好，但是也太偏心了吧。同樣的話，pku 說，您的囘答就不同。您這張嘴真是見人說人話，見鬼說鬼話

問的方式不同，回答的方式也會不同，這點是情緒問題，跟誰好不好是無關的。

skier888 寫:你這比喻跟我說的沒關係吧。會做菜不見得會做生意。假如是做菜技巧意見不合，那才是我所要說的

那您的比喻就有問題了，做菜技巧不同，不代表會不會做生意，所以倒閉跟做菜技巧不同是無關的， 就如同藝術片，曲高和寡不代表票房一定賺。

norman 寫:那您的比喻就有問題了，做菜技巧不同，不代表會不會做生意，所以倒閉跟做菜技巧不同是無關的， 就如同藝術片，曲高和寡不代表票房一定賺。

你很喜歡變 算你贏了

norman 寫:問的方式不同，回答的方式也會不同，這點是情緒問題，跟誰好不好是無關的。

你的意思是你看到beg情緒就變好

skier888 寫:the skiers are rocca and ligety. I look up for the same year, rocca won WC championship while ligety won a olympic medal. it was said that liegety inclination come from his water skiing background

i think inclination could be fast but has more risk and will be less consistent overall. when a skier incline, he is locked in a position and wait for things to happen. if you watch WC, you will notice inclined skiers are more likely DNF in very slippery course. you can hear comment about "lean" or "inclination" from the commentator when skier DNF. one reason is when carving we actually relied on the side load of skis' edge. the so called "angulation" will produce higher edge angle and stronger side load. you can try it at home to see how you feel. if you get a bamboo stick to stand vertically and bend it to like a bow shape, you will find the bamboo dig in strongly by tension. if you just have the bamboo lean, it is very weak.

I am not in position to say who has better technique. i do think the different technique was used because it gave the skier the best result at that time, not because the technique was best. these pictures are also a few years old. the technique that is fasted for each may not be the same now

It's not fair to say who is better than how by judging one photo. When skiing, not many people can do everything perfect. Many be one is doing some recovery.

personally, I am not a fans of Alpine racing. I like skiing bumps and short turns ( more like demonstration style ) I know the best skiier are the Alpine Racers.

norman 寫:我搖頭是覺得您根本就是在魯。

不是，你搖頭是輸了不認輸不要臉的反應。

一個傾斜過度，一個折股過度，在您的看法已經變成乾淨利落，那您要我說什麼呢？

“〔你〕自己沒有技術，不會看。”

我已解釋了，只是您看不懂我指的照片中的意思，結果只看到雪杖落地的事，那您要我說什麼呢？

沒有什麼好說的，“雪杖落地”表示你的技術、精神都不好，但是你認為自己的姿勢好看？

不如什麼都不要說了，會比較好一些。:20070217213814:

說不說都一樣，你的NSS已經給你整的半死不活的，理論、技術、精神三缺，「前途無亮」，還是不說的好。

:)
IS

taichiskiing 寫:不是，你搖頭是輸了不認輸不要臉的反應。



“〔你〕自己沒有技術，不會看。”



沒有什麼好說的，“雪杖落地”表示你的技術、精神都不好，但是你認為自己的姿勢好看？



說不說都一樣，你的NSS已經給你整的半死不活的，理論、技術、精神三缺，「前途無亮」，還是不說的好。

:)
IS

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pku 寫:I think the photo from Norman are good, try not to be too picky on others, I don't think I can ski like them in my life. Also the photos from skier888 are not bad too. Personally, I like the photos from Norman a bit more.

Guess I've seen too many people ski like Norman's photo, no longer a big deal to me. "Turn-skiing" has never impressed me.

One photo can't determine how is better or faster. Since we are human, mistakes can't be avoid.

That's quite true, but don't think that Norman has ever gotten/understood the messages, and I don't think occasionally making mistakes means bad skiing neither. I always tell my beginner students, don't be afraid of making mistakes, if you don't fall, you won't learn good skiing；nevertheless, you must learn how to correct your mistakes. And apparently, Norman has never learned that neither.

Just like our 掌門人, his form is not bad, his speed is quite fast but he is still far from perfect. Many things he still need to improve a lot but honestly, not many weekend skier can catch up with him. He skis around 30 days a year.

Good for him. I don't think there's such thing as "perfect form of skiing," (too many variables out there,) nevertheless, "perfect skiing" ("perfect skiing," as "being there, right time at right place," and "feel" perfect, and one must also know what "perfect" is,) does happen from time to time when all the conditions happen to be just right. But I rarely pursue it, but to do my forms the best I can to match the G-forces, and to flow with gravity as smooth as I can, and "waiting for the moment to arrive," and enjoy it when it does come.

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Line-skiing: powder gully skiing


And there's more skiing [to go beyond], when you reach to that level.

:)
IS

norman 寫::20070217213814: :20070218193705: :20070217222137:

所以beg的無恥發言也不是“空穴來風”而是你們NSS的傳統？

:)
IS

taichiskiing 寫:所以beg的無恥發言也不是“空穴來風”而是你們NSS的傳統？

:)
IS

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太極兄，您不是自認很會猜嗎？我讓您好好猜一猜，不好嗎？

結果什麼都是您在講的，我貼的那選手照片兩張雪杖都垂在地上，結果變成我的姿勢問題？照片中兩張明明都是女生，為何太極兄把她們當成我了呢？

您的「魯」，打敗了我，所以我確實是認輸了，您的「魯」真的是已經到臉不紅氣不喘的地步了，我說什麼都是多餘的了，不如搖搖頭，無奈三聲「嘆」就好了。

唉！唉！唉！:20070217213814:

norman 寫: :172::20070218175357::20070220205856::20070217222137:

「人無恥不立」，你不要臉就不給臉了，good luck。

:)
IS

norman 寫:太極兄，您不是自認很會猜嗎？我讓您好好猜一猜，不好嗎？

結果什麼都是您在講的，我貼的那選手照片兩張雪杖都垂在地上，結果變成我的姿勢問題？照片中兩張明明都是女生，為何太極兄把她們當成我了呢？

不是，我是說你跟她們學，學不成「劃馬不像反成驢」‧你不曉得自己在拖內手杖？回去再看看你自己的影片。

您的「魯」，打敗了我，所以我確實是認輸了，您的「魯」真的是已經到臉不紅氣不喘的地步了，我說什麼都是多餘的了，不如搖搖頭，無奈三聲「嘆」就好了。

唉！唉！唉！:20070217213814:

你不是被我打敗的，而是“真實咬人”，事實如此，就看你自己要不要“醒”而己。

:)
IS

taichiskiing 寫:「人無恥不立」，你不要臉就不給臉了，good luck。

:)
IS

這次什麼不解釋我上面的意思？

我隨便貼貼，您看懂了什麼？

taichiskiing 寫:不是，我是說你跟她們學，學不成「劃馬不像反成驢」‧你不曉得自己在拖內手杖？回去再看看你自己的影片。



你不是被我打敗的，而是“真實咬人”，事實如此，就看你自己要不要“醒”而己。

:)
IS

我沒看到您講了什麼真實的事，只看到您在魯而已，到底是誰在睡，誰在夢？誰又是醒著？不是先講先贏滴。

我跟她們學什麼？從一個選手雪杖只放在雪地上也能讓您挑來挑去、講來講去？我都沒講什麼，您已經自我猜講一堆了，不是魯是什麼？

還要看舊影片呀？您的時間已自我定死不會前進了，我早就不看我的舊影片了，我只想等我的新影片而已，思緒不能跟上，難怪我只貼照片您還無法理解我的意思，只會瞎猜跟魯來魯去，就是要想辦法大便丟過來就是了，唉，您要我說什麼呢？從頭到尾都是您在講，我什麼都沒講，您也認為我在講，您的心魔很重喔。:20070217222137:

taichiskiing 寫: YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Line-skiing: powder gully skiing

And there's more skiing [to go beyond], when you reach to that level.

:)
IS

動作不錯，只是中間雙腳開了幾次，然後也有很短暫的停頓了幾次，不知道這些算不算是個問題？