PK Event (Taichiskiing vs PKU)

[pku]

YouTube - Down Black Bunps Run 2010


Not bad, 51 sec, when you can do that on a double black hill for 7 minutes you might have a chance.

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: shadow skiing Gun Barrel, Heavenly




In the old days, we didn't even have "double black," as there were not much difference, technical-wise, between double blacks and single blacks, so I treated the "double black" only as a "term inflation"; nevertheless, as the double blacks demand a physical ability which is approaching the upper limits of the "recreational skiers," the psychological affect, mainly fear, sets in, which plays a more important roles than physical skills, "do you dare to do it?" As I've said, skiing is an adventural sport, if you have not stuck on a hill somewhere, scared the hell out of yourself and wondered what/why the hell you were doing there, you have not touched the true realm of skier spirit/滑雪的真髓.



No, I don't do "gapper's challenge"; it is you who want to prove you can do better than what I can do, then do it, ("show up with cash, we do it," and for the options given you get to decide which race you want to do,) no need to brag about it on-line. I'm not impressed.



I don't believe it for a moment.

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IS

I don't think there is a run I need to ski for 7 minutes on norman snow condition. Like the run you ski down, I think maximum 5 minutes. I think in skiing, the guy spend less time win.

That run is only about 200-250 meters vertical, how you can spend so much time to finish it. For the difficulty, there is a big wedge skier in front of you skiing down and she ski quite comfortable. She doesn't need to scare the hell out of her even for her level of skiing.

If scare the hell out of myself is what you call 滑雪的真髓, then it's very simple.

As long as I need to jump down the cliff like those people, I'll scare the hell even shit out of myself

YouTube - 2/22/11Chimney@SquawValley.mov


sometime you talk about speed and sometimes you talk about spending more time. What exactly is your criteria. Fast or slow.

For the double black run you spend 7 minutes, if I only need 5 minutes to finish. Are you going to stop boosting your skiing in the future.

[pku]

Really? I thought earlier on you've said that you've coached beg2 for five years? Well, you do ski better than beg, so beg is a fake L2? Or you're a fake L1? Or Level 1, 2, 3, really doesn't matter on whether or not one can ski?



YouTube - Miyashita Masaki with WBSS




Turn-skiers, what about them?

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IS

When people jump cliff, then you say they don't know how to turn.

When people make nice turns, you'll say they are turn skier, nothing special

When people ski fast on a steep run, you siad they can't spend enough time on a difficult run.

When people ski slow, you said you can ski fast.

You just know boosting your taichi skiing

Miyashita Masaki can ski fast every where and making nice turns everywhere. He's a 2 times technical skiing champion in Japan.

[beg]

Really? I thought earlier on you've said that you've coached beg2 for five years? Well, you do ski better than beg, so beg is a fake L2? Or you're a fake L1? Or Level 1, 2, 3, really doesn't matter on whether or not one can ski?
IS

Yup, we are all fake only you ski with no dick is real. Opps, you got PSIA L1 kick out is also real all right.

[skier888]

No, they may know how to jump the cliffs, but they are not line-skiing, "Line-skiing is to utilize the terrain to control the speed," and they have no control of they speed, but "drop." My question stands, show us how they turn.

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IS

They are line-skiing. Utilize the terrain to control the speed as demonstrated by you is called "line-traversing". I may put up a vote for everybody to decide.

[beg]

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The first thing for the PK event is: each side need to pay a deposite to a third party that we agree especially you. I won't book the trip unless there is some guarantee.

If you come to Whistler, I give the deposit $2000.00 to Snowrider once you book the airticket and you don't have to pay anything until we meet. Is this fair? We can also may the event earlier on the coming mid April.

And Beg's $10,000.00 is waiting for you also.

YouTube - Down Black Bunps Run 2010
I don't believe it for a moment.
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IS

No, I don't do "gapper's challenge", Let's play your rule, you show up and we just race all right. Of course you can choose a fair rule. We leave $5,000 deposit to snowrider. You win,I'll pay you $10,000. You lose, just 裸滑. If you have no ball裸滑, I take your $5,000.Opps,your excuse is you don't even have $1,000.

[beg]

By the way,it's really a lot of fun to watch your 007 comedy version film,your acting technique is
YouTube - TaiChiSkier.mov

[skier888]

Double Black and Black may not have much difference, Most Double black runs only got a scary entrance and the steepness of the run is very similar to a Steep Black Run.

Go Ski KT-22. It has the best terrain and sustained steep pitch for about 2000 ft from top to bottom down to the lift. You take the lift, go up, ski down, take the lift again. It is almost all steep, no wasting time traversing. The lift is also fast so you get a lot of skiing done. That is why it is one of the best lifts in the world.

Don't go to Squaw if anyone wants to ski DOUBLE-DIAMOND because there is NONE

[taichiskiing]

I don't think there is a run I need to ski for 7 minutes on norman snow condition. Like the run you ski down, I think maximum 5 minutes. I think in skiing, the guy spend less time win.

That's what you "think," but you don't even know the run, and are you implying that you've never skied a mogul run for more than five minutes? I thought Whistler is bigger than that.

That run is only about 200-250 meters vertical, how you can spend so much time to finish it. For the difficulty, there is a big wedge skier in front of you skiing down and she ski quite comfortable. She doesn't need to scare the hell out of her even for her level of skiing.

The run is 1,500 ft vertical, about 35 to 40 degree upper and 40 degree lower Gun Barrel, so what you "think" you know is wrong. Though long and steep but Gun Barrel is one of the main highways of Heavenly, so there's nothing to be scared of, try to do a double diamond run off-piste/back country. Don't worry, there are no bears in the winter.

If scare the hell out of myself is what you call 滑雪的真髓, then it's very simple.

As long as I need to jump down the cliff like those people, I'll scare the hell even shit out of myself

YouTube - 2/22/11Chimney@SquawValley.mov



Without alpine skiing disciplines, even you "scare the hell even shit out of" youself, won't get you the 滑雪的真髓, jumping out off cliffs does not require or generate proper alpine skiing discipline.

sometime you talk about speed and sometimes you talk about spending more time. What exactly is your criteria. Fast or slow.

該快時快，該慢時慢， it varies with the terrain. My ski criteria are safety first, precise control/balance second, graceful/elegant third, and I'm more interested in making perfect turns than going fast; speed is only a by-product generated by clean elegant skiing, it's not my skiing focus.

For the double black run you spend 7 minutes, if I only need 5 minutes to finish. Are you going to stop boosting your skiing in the future.

Given that you don't even know the run, that's a big "if," and even you can do it in 5 minutes, which remains to be seen, doesn't mean you ski better, if you cannot do powder,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Line-skiing: powder gully skiing



or tree skiing,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Line-skiing: tree skiing



Actually, my question is whether or not if you can ski down on a double black at all, clips? And you don't think yourself boasting? Double standard, or shameless?

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IS

[taichiskiing]

When people jump cliff, then you say they don't know how to turn.

Pretty much, jumping is easiest thing to do to showing off for green skiers.

When people make nice turns, you'll say they are turn skier, nothing special

Yup, we learn turn skiing first; after learning how to turn, then we move on to line-skiing. Line-skiing is higher technique than turn-skiing.

When people ski fast on a steep run, you siad they can't spend enough time on a difficult run.

That's quite true, intermediate skiers cannot hold their turns on the steep, and ski fast on a steep run is courting diaster.

When people ski slow, you said you can ski fast.

亂辯？

You just know boosting your taichi skiing

Miyashita Masaki can ski fast every where and making nice turns everywhere. He's a 2 times technical skiing champion in Japan.

See if he can follow us,

YouTube - Taichi Skiing/Flatboarding: pair line-skiing



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IS

[taichiskiing]

Go Ski KT-22. It has the best terrain and sustained steep pitch for about 2000 ft from top to bottom down to the lift. You take the lift, go up, ski down, take the lift again. It is almost all steep, no wasting time traversing. The lift is also fast so you get a lot of skiing done. That is why it is one of the best lifts in the world.

Don't go to Squaw if anyone wants to ski DOUBLE-DIAMOND because there is NONE

Try gunbarrel 25, they do just that,

YouTube - Gunbarrel 25



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IS

[skier888]

Try gunbarrel 25, they do just that,

YouTube - Gunbarrel 25


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IS

Sorry, Squaw doesn't have DOUBLE DIAMOND

The info that follows came primarily from this thread on epicski.com :
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.ph ... ight=steep
These steepness statistics were offered by a poster named Powdr, he gets any credit (or blame) due. I believe he is some kind of geographic info systems analyst and used Google Earth to derive the degree of steepness for what he perceived to be the steepest stretch with over a couple hundred yards length on well known ski trails around the country. The list started with Eastern trails, but then stats were added on a sampling of terrain from all around the country. Sorry, the runs are listed in somewhat random order. I've done a little editing in my compilation, hopefully not introducing errors. He tried to pick the steepest section he could find on each run, as long as it was over 500' in length, but I wouldn't call the process/stats definitive. They may make for fun discussion/speculation though. Note: these are in degrees, not percent.

Ovation at Killington (24 degrees, actually):
Paradise at MRG - 32.5 degrees
Tramline at Cannon - 28.1 degrees
White Nitro, Sugarloaf - 29.5 degree
Starr @ Stowe - 31.1 degrees
Castle Rock @ Sugarbush - 21.3 degrees
Whiteface Slides @ whiteface - 36.3 degrees
Denton Hill's (PA) triple diamond run - 27.7 degrees
Goat @ Stowe - 33.6 degrees
Robin's Run @ Smuggs - 29.8 degrees
Outer Limits @ Killington - 28.5 degrees
Devils Fiddle @ Killington - 25 degrees
Ripcord @ Mt. Snow - 27.4 degrees
Tuckerman's Ravine, NH (steepest I could find) - 45.3 degrees (damm!)
Dynamite @ Tremblant - 28 degrees
Black Hole @ Smuggs - 31.0 degrees
Ovation (lower section) @ Killington - 30.7 degrees
KT-22 East Chutes @ Squaw - 41 degrees over 500' in length
Huevos Grande @ Mammoth - 52.3 degrees (wicked steep)
51-50 @ PCMR - 47.9 degrees (and everyone says PCMR isn't steep)
Main Baldy Chute @ Alta - 44 degrees (but it's a dry steep)
Extrovert @ Blue Knob - 28.5 degrees
High Rustler @ Alta - 44.3 degrees
Great Scott @ Snowbird - 46.5 degrees
Upper Cirque @ Snowbird - 40.5 degrees
Peruvian @ Snowbird - 32.9 degrees
Under Powderhorn lift @ Solitude - 42.8 degrees
Under 9990 @ The Canyons - 29 degrees
Square Top @ The Canyons - 41.0 degrees
Upper Big Emma (Green Run!) @ Snowbird - 25.3 degrees!
Rumble @ Sugarbush - 27.9 degrees
Pitch Pine @ King Pine - 21.1 Degrees

Tuckerman Ravine Routes:
1 - 38.7 degrees
2 - 44.0 degrees
3 - 44.6 degrees
4 - 48.1 degrees
5 - 48.3 degrees
6 - 46.8 degrees
7 - 43.5 degrees
8 - 42.8 degrees
9 - 31.4 degrees
10- 30.3 degrees

Lower Wildcat @ Laurel Mountain (PA) - 28.1 degrees
Tower Three Chute @ JH - 43.1 degrees
Blowhole (Whistler/Blackcomb) - couldn't find it on the map
Rumor @ Gore - 28.9 degrees
Gunbarrel @ Heavenly, on the steepest pitch (a 136' section) is 31.6 degrees.
Palisades @ Squaw - 45.5 degrees (steepest section I could find - 205' long)

[taichiskiing]

Sorry, Squaw doesn't have DOUBLE DIAMOND

Yup, I did say "double diamond" is a "term inflation."

As for the attached article,
He did say, "...but I wouldn't call the process/stats definitive. They may make for fun discussion/speculation though..." Typical gappers' argument, and Gunbarrel is list at 31.6 degree, easy, right? (I really doubt that measurement's accuracy too,) Let's see you do it. No? then you are just another mouthy gapper on the 'net.

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IS

[skier888]

Yup, I did say "double diamond" is a "term inflation."

As for the attached article,
He did say, "...but I wouldn't call the process/stats definitive. They may make for fun discussion/speculation though..." Typical gappers' argument, and Gunbarrel is list at 31.6 degree, easy, right? (I really doubt that measurement's accuracy too,) Let's see you do it. No? then you are just another mouthy gapper on the 'net.

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IS

You are getting grumpy again. I don't have to be a cook to criticize food quality.

I carry an inclinometer with me so I am pretty sure the KT measurement is not off. I don't talk about the numbers I measureed because it is only a short section at a time.

[pku]

[quote=taichiskiing]Pretty much, jumping is easiest thing to do to showing off for green skiers.

It depends where, if you said it's so easy, why don't you show us how to jump down a 30 feet cliff.

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;11381][Yup, we learn turn skiing first; after learning how to turn, then we move on to line-skiing. Line-skiing is higher technique than turn-skiing.

Your line skiing is just to find the easiest line to ski slow ( tranversing ), I did it a lot 15 years ago when I can't make turns on the steep.

[QUOTE=taichiskiing;11381][That's quite true, intermediate skiers cannot hold their turns on the steep, and ski fast on a steep run is courting diaster.

In the real world, not many intermediate ski fast on steep, most of the people skiing fast on steep are expert skier. Intermediate will hold their turn by braking a lot so they won't ski fast.



There no chance he'll ski with you.

[pku]

該快時快，該慢時慢， it varies with the terrain. My ski criteria are safety first, precise control/balance second, graceful/elegant third, and I'm more interested in making perfect turns than going fast; speed is only a by-product generated by clean elegant skiing, it's not my skiing focus.


So how you can win my money if you want to race with me since you need to ski slow to be safe. I am pretty sure you won't show up with your money too.

My skiiing criteria is try to ski fast and in control so it's also mean safe.

My accident just made me lost a small part of one of my front and was fixed but your accident made you carry 7 screws in your body. That means even you try to ski slow and safe, you still can't control well.

What you call a perfect turn is to slow down by tranversing and then turn. It's considered very low end skiing by the real world.

Show us a video that you can make 50 short turns without breaking the rymthm.

[taichiskiing]

It depends where, if you said it's so easy, why don't you show us how to jump down a 30 feet cliff.

Not my environments, and jumping cliff is not "alpine" skiing.

[Yup, we learn turn skiing first; after learning how to turn, then we move on to line-skiing. Line-skiing is higher technique than turn-skiing.

Your line skiing is just to find the easiest line to ski slow ( tranversing ), I did it a lot 15 years ago when I can't make turns on the steep.

I did say that you ski too hard; guess you've never heard of the technique of "ski the slow line fast," which is far different from what you know, side-slipping.

[That's quite true, intermediate skiers cannot hold their turns on the steep, and ski fast on a steep run is courting diaster.

In the real world, not many intermediate ski fast on steep, most of the people skiing fast on steep are expert skier. Intermediate will hold their turn by braking a lot so they won't ski fast.

Actually, I saw differently, intermediate skiers bomb the last portion of a steep, (that's why they mostly always get wiped-out at the bottom of the steep), and expert skiers turn all the way down, so they are slow and elegant.

There no chance he'll ski with you.

So, "what about him?"

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IS

[taichiskiing]

該快時快，該慢時慢， it varies with the terrain. My ski criteria are safety first, precise control/balance second, graceful/elegant third, and I'm more interested in making perfect turns than going fast; speed is only a by-product generated by clean elegant skiing, it's not my skiing focus.


So how you can win my money if you want to race with me since you need to ski slow to be safe. I am pretty sure you won't show up with your money too.

"speed is only a by-product generated by clean elegant skiing," if you know how to read "line,"

YouTube - Lines of Flatboarding/Flatskiing 1



If you show up, I will.

My skiiing criteria is try to ski fast and in control so it's also mean safe.

How? "to ski fast" and "in control" don't really go hand-in-hand.

My accident just made me lost a small part of one of my front and was fixed but your accident made you carry 7 screws in your body. That means even you try to ski slow and safe, you still can't control well.

If you were in my shoes, you might have died. And that was my skiing environment, and I might have died in that accident if I have not evaded the frontal impact to an old-grows tree. My mistake/careless, that's why I've warned you guys about no kidding around in high level skiing.

What you call a perfect turn is to slow down by tranversing and then turn. It's considered very low end skiing by the real world.

Yup, that's your small world alright, heard about the technique of "ski the slow line fast"? that's the fundation of the modern day carving technique.

Show us a video that you can make 50 short turns without breaking the rymthm.

Save your gapper's challenge, do you want to count it? I didn't.

YouTube - TaichiSkiing/Flatboarding: Wedeln powder skiing



Now, can you do it?

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IS

[taichiskiing]

You are getting grumpy again. I don't have to be a cook to criticize food quality.

Yup, that's what makes you a "gapper."

I carry an inclinometer with me so I am pretty sure the KT measurement is not off. I don't talk about the numbers I measureed because it is only a short section at a time.

Just for the laugh, what numbers did you get? I go by the angles between the trees and the slopes.

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IS

[pku]

Not my environments, and jumping cliff is not "alpine" skiing.



I did say that you ski too hard; guess you've never heard of the technique of "ski the slow line fast," which is far different from what you know, side-slipping.



Actually, I saw differently, intermediate skiers bomb the last portion of a steep, (that's why they mostly always get wiped-out at the bottom of the steep), and expert skiers turn all the way down, so they are slow and elegant.



So, "what about him?"

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IS

Jump down the cliff is not skiing but they still need to ski down after they jumped down

Ski the slow line fast is aleays metioned in Alpine racing, they are saying people trying to ski the fastest line may result a lot of skiding that will increase the overall time. If people can ski a slower line to get more carving, the the turns are more efficient and the result is faster.
The line you choose is a very slow line (tranversing ) and your turns skid a lot so it means you ski very slow that's why it takes you 7 minutes to ski down that run.

Expert skier keep making efficient turns with no stopping and no hesitation so they ski fast.

Intermediate skier gain speed and need to brake and stop so they ski slow.

Since you can't ski fast and boost yourself expert skier, your conclusion is expert skier ski slow.

That means when I show up, you will have different criteria, if you ski slower than me on the steep and bumpy runs, then the slower one win.

If you ski faster than me on the easy groom, then the faster win.

[pku]

"speed is only a by-product generated by clean elegant skiing," if you know how to read "line,"

YouTube - Lines of Flatboarding/Flatskiing 1


If you show up, I will.



How? "to ski fast" and "in control" don't really go hand-in-hand.



If you were in my shoes, you might have died. And that was my skiing environment, and I might have died in that accident if I have not evaded the frontal impact to an old-grows tree. My mistake/careless, that's why I've warned you guys about no kidding around in high level skiing.



Yup, that's your small world alright, heard about the technique of "ski the slow line fast"? that's the fundation of the modern day carving technique.



Save your gapper's challenge, do you want to count it? I didn't.

YouTube - TaichiSkiing/Flatboarding: Wedeln powder skiing


Now, can you do it?

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IS

Please don't show your tranversing skill again and again, show us some smooth turns. You ski like a 醉漢 at the begnning of the clip . Almost fall, almost fall .